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Mr Puggsly on 22 May 2013
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

No, I've researched it in the past and angered liberals with my findings.

Do your own research.


No, that's stupid. It's not my research. You're the one making the claim. Why would I look up research to support a claim you made.

That's not how this works. You can't just post unsupported assertions and tell other people to look it up. Any questionable *facts* that anyone mentions should be considered baseless conjecture until that person proves them to be true.

BTW, this is the third post that's wasted your time when apparently you've had "stuff to do".


Stop complaining, do your own research.

Good day.



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Jay520 on 22 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:

Stop complaining, do your own research.

Good day.


It's not my research. It's your research. You've been saying "statistics" for over 24 hours yet still haven't supported your claim apparently because you don't have time, yet you find time to make so many posts here.

And don't say "Good day" when you know you're going to reply again.



ultima on 22 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
the2real4mafol said:

what statistics? you keep on saying about them but they never materialise. How convienant? you can claim anything without evidence

Do your own damn research. I got things to do...

Like what? Make unreasonable, close-minded claims on VGChartz and annoy people who challenge you?



           

ultima on 22 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
He cannot be charged with murder since that would mean all abortion is murder. Anyway i'm just happy that in my country you have the option to simply refuse a child as your own and not register as the father at birth.

Are you sure that's how it works? Another thumb up for Netherlands if true.



           

ultima on 22 May 2013
sc94597 said:
ultima said:
sc94597 said:
ultima said:

I'll quote KungKras for you, whose response is perfectly in line with my own position:

Who cares if it has the same genome as a human, it doesn have a brain, so it does not experience anything. It's not developed into a person yet, so it shouldn't get treated as a person.

Again, a fetus is a potential human being. Like a seed is a potential tree.

Many people define humanity by a unique organism which falls within the human species, which a fetus does, as opposed to one's brain-capacity. Likewise, we should promote post-birth infanticide because a baby is not a "fully-developed" human if we accept the definiton that a fully developed brain qualifies somebody as human. 

P.S The brain of a fetus develops within 4-5 weeks of conception. 

The difference is that an infant does have a brain and is in fact sentient.

I'm against late-term abortion myself. But abortion early on is not immoral. It's certainly not murder.

Would you say cats and dogs are sentient then? My point in asking that is that we hold humans to a different standard because they're human. A full-grown cat is more "sentient" than a new-born human baby, but killing one is far more excusable than killing the other, because one has far less of a potential than the other. Consequently, the natural right to life is more than just in regards to brain activity and sentience. 

I don't think you fully understand my position.

Humans are held to have a higher intrinsic value. I acknowledge this. So, if one has to choose between killing a human and a cat, the cat, unfortunately, will probably be the one to go. I never backed killing of people with less sentience or brain activity; even if they aren't yet fully developed or have handicaps, they're still human. A child, as primitive and inexperience as he/she is, is nonetheless a human. The reason I'm not against abortion is because a fetus is not a human. A fetus is to humans as an egg is to chickens.

A fetus before it is sentient is not only not human, it is not even sentient. So, there's absolutely nothing wrong with aborting it. You literally bring more pain to the world by pinching a rat than aborting a pre-sentient fetus (ignoring whatever emotional pain abortion may cause in those involved).

The natural right to life? First of all, I'd say it's more of a privilege. Secondly, why do you think it applies to a fetus?



           

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ultima on 22 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Jay520 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
the2real4mafol said:

what statistics? you keep on saying about them but they never materialise. How convienant? you can claim anything without evidence

Do your own damn research. I got things to do...


Actually there is no evidence for Pugs. In fact,.the evidence says the complete opposite.

My proof is out in the world.

A quick internet search should take a you a little over the time its going to take you to submit another reply, so you have time, since I imagine you'll be making several more posts in this thread.

No, it takes less time to respond.

Now run along people.


Attempting to move past the subject, are we? Typical response from someone who has realized he been disproven. You probably already searched for some statistics, but couldn't find any lol..

Please don't discredit yourself again by making yet another post. You've already wasted precious minutes and seconds of your time making quite a few posts in this thread; you don't want to waste another 20 seconds forming a reply, as apparently you are much too busy.

No, I've researched it in the past and angered liberals with my findings.

Do your own research.

Lol. Fine. What kind of findings have you stumbled upon?



           

sc94597 on 23 May 2013
ultima said:
sc94597 said:
ultima said:
sc94597 said:
ultima said:

I'll quote KungKras for you, whose response is perfectly in line with my own position:

Who cares if it has the same genome as a human, it doesn have a brain, so it does not experience anything. It's not developed into a person yet, so it shouldn't get treated as a person.

Again, a fetus is a potential human being. Like a seed is a potential tree.

Many people define humanity by a unique organism which falls within the human species, which a fetus does, as opposed to one's brain-capacity. Likewise, we should promote post-birth infanticide because a baby is not a "fully-developed" human if we accept the definiton that a fully developed brain qualifies somebody as human. 

P.S The brain of a fetus develops within 4-5 weeks of conception. 

The difference is that an infant does have a brain and is in fact sentient.

I'm against late-term abortion myself. But abortion early on is not immoral. It's certainly not murder.

Would you say cats and dogs are sentient then? My point in asking that is that we hold humans to a different standard because they're human. A full-grown cat is more "sentient" than a new-born human baby, but killing one is far more excusable than killing the other, because one has far less of a potential than the other. Consequently, the natural right to life is more than just in regards to brain activity and sentience. 

 

The natural right to life? First of all, I'd say it's more of a privilege. Secondly, why do you think it applies to a fetus?

It is a genetically unique organism part of the population which is contained with the species Homo Sapiens Sapiens. As for the egg, are you speaking of a fertilized egg or an unfertilized one? A fertilized egg IS a chicken. A fetus is human, and hence it applies. As for your comment of life being a privelege, I'll just say most people disagree.

A good summary on natural rights. 

http://eyler.freeservers.com/JeffPers/jefpco08.htm

"Natural rights are those rights that are indispensably necessary for man to fulfill his potential on this earth. They are "natural" because they derive from the nature of man and the nature of existence itself. As explained by Thomas Paine, "Natural rights are those which appertain to man in right of his existence. Of this kind are all the intellectual rights, or rights of the mind, and also all those rights of acting as an individual for his own comfort and happiness, which are not injurious to the natural rights of others." --Thomas Paine, Rights of Man, 1791.""

 


 



AnthonyW86 on 23 May 2013
ultima said:
AnthonyW86 said:
He cannot be charged with murder since that would mean all abortion is murder. Anyway i'm just happy that in my country you have the option to simply refuse a child as your own and not register as the father at birth.

Are you sure that's how it works? Another thumb up for Netherlands if true.

Yes i know someone who did not accept a child as his own and denied custody after he found out his pregnant girlfriend hade cheated on him several times. I'm not sure if the situation changes once you get married or already have children together though.