pezus said:
What about FIFA, Madden, Need for Speed, The Sims, Tiger Woods? Are they shooters? With Ubisoft you have only Rayman and then Assassin's Creed (HARDCORE AWESOME KILL) and Watch_Dogs (HARDCORE AWESOME HEADSHOT WITH HACKING) |
FIFA and Madden arent family friendly games. They are hardcore. The sims im pretty sure would sell well on a nintendo platform.
| fillet said: You guys looking at this all wrong. Take your obsessed gaming hat off and actually look at when he said. All legitimate stuff in my opinion. It's twitter, he can say what he likes and he'd know more than any of you lot. Honestly, the Nintendo defense force are starting to rival SDF. He clearly knows his he will have had first hand experience with the Wii0U. How about talking about what he said from a technical angle? |
There is no defense force here. The guy is lying and we all know it. 100% sure the 360 is not more powerful than the Wii U. This is just a lazy bum trying to shift blame from himself and his company incompetence to adapt their engine to a different architecture. There is no knowledge here. Do you even work? Dont you know how these things go? They will shift the blame to someone else so they dont have to take the heat or have extra work. Guys like this are everywhere.
If you want to side with him go ahead. Its your choice.
I think Nintendo's out of touch Japanese leadership deserves some blame here too, even Iwata has said they haven't done a good enough job explaining the Wii U hardware to many third parties.
They create these extremely proprietary pieces of hardware with odd design priorities (power consumption over raw processing power for example) then it seems like they just dump the dev kit in the hands of a developer, provide a moderate documentation, and then just leave third parties to their own devices.
I don't think Nintendo is doing an adequate job of explaining the hardware to third parties, ensuring that third parties are getting the most out of the hardware specific features, or even really trying all that hard to get developers to be enthusiastic about the platform or understand the product vision.
It's more just "we're Nintendo, you should be happy we're not treating you like it's 1996, here's our dev kit, make some games for it please, k gotta go, bye". It just seems to me like developers are largely left to their own devices once Nintendo drops off their kits and are given minimal direction or understanding of the hardware.
Mr Khan said:
You're generalizing. Most of us didn't believe it (either because the number was too high or why the hell would Nintendo deliberately down-clock in the first place? It's not like Wii U has battery life to worry about). Meanwhile, this guy is saying things that people from his own company have proven false. |
Well, a lot of people still put some weight behind it and claim that it's possibly true (and this is all coming from an unconfirmed source). Talks raising the clock speeds while not being knowledgable about how the hardware works. Yet, when someone in the industry says negative things about a said console (of choice) its instantly bullshit because of bias of said company.
The issue I have is with people who claim they know more about the consoles and software development, than the actual people working on it.
To your last sentence.. that might be his personal experience with the console. Sports games might have to rely more on CPU side of things for the AI, physics and animation.. so who's to say that there isn't any truth in what he has to say.
S.T.A.G.E. said:
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I think what's amazing is that they can't be bothered to press the home button and open the web browser then just look at youtube videos. Hopefully those people won't ever get their hands on Demon's Souls/Dark Souls or Monster Hunter type games, ever.
| Soundwave said:
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or maybe they just don't give a shit about what the western market thinks since they are making money either way no matter how niche they are, I personally want to see what will happen with them and the push for Indie games on the Wii U.
dahuman said:
or maybe they just don't give a shit about what the western market thinks since they are making money either way no matter how niche they are, I personally want to see what will happen with them and the push for Indie games on the Wii U. |
Well lets hope "they give a shit" in their pursuit of those smaller devs then, because attitude and company effort does matter. Nintendo often doesn't seem to want to do anything that requires effort as a company. Marketing? Can't be bothered. Selling the system to developers or getting them to really utilize it well? Nope. Lobbying for exclusives? We'll meet you half-way, but no closer third parties, etc. etc. etc.
Not giving a shit about the Western market, I wonder also if that might have anything to do with the fact that both the 3DS (yes I said 3DS) and Wii U are performing poorly in these markets. Gee, wouldn't that be a surprise, treat a market like crap or at the minimum be horribly out of touch and consumers go elsewhere. Shocking.
I think it is obvious they made a lot of design choices on the Wii U based on the Japanese market ... but that market doesn't want consoles period, so it's not like even Japanese consumers are embracing the console.
fillet said:
That's the warped way of looking at this stuff that I'm complaining about here. He's been a software engineer for EA for over 10 years. Anything he says is "technical". If he's putting himself and credibility on the line to say this stuff then it's clearly from a technical perspective. What other perspective is there? Are you suggesting that he just doesn't like Nintendo!!!? LOL. What kind of childish fanatasy land mentality is that? It's one a lot of users here seem to live in. If someone has held a job coding for 10 years plus with 1 company and stayed there..that says to me that person knows their shit. This isn't some indy dev, it's someone on a payroll. Take notice of that context and what it means. Unprofessional or not, he said it. Deal with it, and discuss the meaning of what he's saying. Character assasinations are about as far off topic as one can get, and go absolutely nowhere. |
Lol :D
So when i ask for technical details in this tweet - investigating that technical angle -, you call me childish and a *character assassin* for asking about the technical angle?
Wow. That's so not hypocritical.
In the wilderness we go alone with our new knowledge and strength.
Soundwave said:
Not giving a shit about the Western market, I wonder also if that might have anything to do with the fact that both the 3DS (yes I said 3DS) and Wii U are performing poorly in these markets. Gee, wouldn't that be a surprise, treat a market like crap or at the minimum be horribly out of touch and consumers go elsewhere. Shocking. I think it is obvious they made a lot of design choices on the Wii U based on the Japanese market ... but that market doesn't want consoles period, so it's not like even Japanese consumers are embracing the console. |
That's what I'm interested in finding out since that's another route of gamble they are taking, the thing about Nintendo is that they are always doing things really differently, so I'm constantly watching them to see the results. In a really strange fucked up way, they are the true innovators of the video game industry to this day, be it a good innovation or bad lol.
They did totally fuck up the marketing for Wii U though, whoever did that shit needs to get replaced ASAP as most people don't even know the Wii U is a new console.
I can't agree with you saying they are not helping 3rd parties to utilize their console well though as I've seen some pretty amazing shit from 3rd parties, the problem eventually became budget issues, and I can fully understand devs not wanting to release games for the system because they can't compete with Nintendo's games which is why they want Nintendo to go 3rd party since they want a bigger piece of the pie. It's all just money talk and has nothing to do with video gaming or gaming innovation from the 3rd party perspective. It's actually really sad how big game devs are mostly unable to take risks anymore.
I have no problem with Nintendo doing their own thing though, I always have other platforms for the other things anyways hehe.... I personally love the Japanese market and for as long as they can bring those content over, I'll be all over it. I also love the western market of course. It's quiet sad that we have to own multiple systems to get the best of both worlds these days, but the days of PS2 is long gone at this point, we have to make do with what we've got.
Well this was no surprise.......though why mods are banning people for agreeing with AN EXPERT is beyond me. This website is losing control.
| lightofhonor said: I guess "less powerful" is up to interpretation. It's the SNES vs GEN/MD all over again. Prettier effects vs Blast Processing. Even back then Nintendo had a slower processor and better graphics and that went ok. And the Wii had slower everything and that did ok. Nintendo may be the underdog, but it is a role it's had before. |
No it isn't. Power is down to numbers which can be easily compared. If a hardware engineer - a trained professional says so, he is going to be right.
| Smeags said: Tweets have been removed. Go back to your homes. Nothin' to see here. |
Eh?
No, lots to see here. Someone who works with the gear everyday just flipped out on it. That is very important.
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