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Pokemon is looking a lot better on Amazon than COMG though, with three SKUs ranking above the highest P5R SKU (#19, #29. #32, with P5R at #34)



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Megiddo said:

Pokemon is looking a lot better on Amazon than COMG though, with three SKUs ranking above the highest P5R SKU (#19, #29. #32, with P5R at #34)

Right..its 3 months out and doing just fine on amazon. 

I'm not saying there won't possibly be another mainline decline..but I don't think the numbers at this point support anything too worrying.



Pokemon not having multiple SKUs in the top 10 on Amazon is worrying enough on its own. Even Let's Go had that. It is NOT doing fine on Amazon. I would expect it would have some SKUs there above Persona, seeing as Persona has 2/3rds the points of Pokemon on COMG. The performance is proportional, and Amazon is not a counter to the fact that Pokemon is doing poorly. I want it to succeed, I really do, but it just isn't. Why do so many people feel the need to deny the obvious? I'm going to buy Pokemon when it comes out, and so are you, its sales performance has nothing to do with that. But right now, I see no reason to believe that things are normal, and I think it will have consequences for Game Freak.



schuelma said:
HylianSwordsman said:

I'm sorry, are you actually upset that I think Pokemon is doing poorly? If you think COMG is that insignificant, why are you here? Did you make an account just to defend Pokemon? I like Pokemon, I just think we have reason to think this is a bad sign. It's not a slow day or two, it's just slow. Period. This is the slowest any mainline Pokemon game has ever been at COMG. The chain isn't that much smaller than it was a few years ago, and you've been here for a day, you weren't here to see how this place used to react to a Pokemon game. This is NOT normal, and the chain shrinking does NOT explain it. If you think it should count double, why don't you try to convince Boutros to count it double? Trust me, we've all heard these arguments before.

There is no need to get hostile. I certainly wasn't. 

I've been tracking comgnet for years- I still use it as a very rough reference but its completely factual to point out that its ratio is not nearly what it used to be and especially for Switch games they are especially off.

I'm not trying to convince Boutros of anything- just making the point that if we're going to look at preorders compared to Lets Go (which, IMO is be far the best comparison to use), double packs on comgnet will count as 2 game sales on famitsu and the comparison with Lets Go looks better. That's all.

I call BS. You've been here for years, but only come out of the woodwork today because someone slighted Pokemon? I've been following this thread since its current inception when I was a lurker, and with an account for years, this isn't the first double pack, it's just the first double pack that didn't completely sell out by now. I've never seen the non-double versions take this long to catch up to the double version before, they should both have surpassed it by now. The ratio is about 1:2000 now instead of 1:1000 like before, but even if you double the points of the Switch games, they still wouldn't even be on track to outsell Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. That's excusable with a spinoff like Let's Go, but it's just weird to see it happen with a mainline entry, especially the first mainline entry both for a new gen and for a new system. I'm sure the title will sell fine worldwide, but the brand actually seems to have been damaged by the failure to bring the national dex to the new gen, and Nintendo and the Pokemon Company will not be happy with Game Freak to see that.



HylianSwordsman said:
schuelma said:

There is no need to get hostile. I certainly wasn't. 

I've been tracking comgnet for years- I still use it as a very rough reference but its completely factual to point out that its ratio is not nearly what it used to be and especially for Switch games they are especially off.

I'm not trying to convince Boutros of anything- just making the point that if we're going to look at preorders compared to Lets Go (which, IMO is be far the best comparison to use), double packs on comgnet will count as 2 game sales on famitsu and the comparison with Lets Go looks better. That's all.

I call BS. You've been here for years, but only come out of the woodwork today because someone slighted Pokemon? I've been following this thread since its current inception when I was a lurker, and with an account for years, this isn't the first double pack, it's just the first double pack that didn't completely sell out by now. I've never seen the non-double versions take this long to catch up to the double version before, they should both have surpassed it by now. The ratio is about 1:2000 now instead of 1:1000 like before, but even if you double the points of the Switch games, they still wouldn't even be on track to outsell Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. That's excusable with a spinoff like Let's Go, but it's just weird to see it happen with a mainline entry, especially the first mainline entry both for a new gen and for a new system. I'm sure the title will sell fine worldwide, but the brand actually seems to have been damaged by the failure to bring the national dex to the new gen, and Nintendo and the Pokemon Company will not be happy with Game Freak to see that.

Again, we'll see in November but in my opinion straight comparisons to non-Switch titles are just not going to have as much value. We've seen it time and time again over the past 2 years that comgnet is even less reliable for Switch titles. 

I'll put it this way- even with another decline in mainline sales, there is absolutely zero conceivable scenario where Sword and Shield sells less FW than ultra sun/ultra moon. Yes, we could see a decline from sun and moon- but there is no chance we are going to see FW sales halved, which is what you're claiming is likely based on comgnet points 3 months before release.



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schuelma said:
HylianSwordsman said:

I call BS. You've been here for years, but only come out of the woodwork today because someone slighted Pokemon? I've been following this thread since its current inception when I was a lurker, and with an account for years, this isn't the first double pack, it's just the first double pack that didn't completely sell out by now. I've never seen the non-double versions take this long to catch up to the double version before, they should both have surpassed it by now. The ratio is about 1:2000 now instead of 1:1000 like before, but even if you double the points of the Switch games, they still wouldn't even be on track to outsell Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon. That's excusable with a spinoff like Let's Go, but it's just weird to see it happen with a mainline entry, especially the first mainline entry both for a new gen and for a new system. I'm sure the title will sell fine worldwide, but the brand actually seems to have been damaged by the failure to bring the national dex to the new gen, and Nintendo and the Pokemon Company will not be happy with Game Freak to see that.

Again, we'll see in November but in my opinion straight comparisons to non-Switch titles are just not going to have as much value. We've seen it time and time again over the past 2 years that comgnet is even less reliable for Switch titles. 

I'll put it this way- even with another decline in mainline sales, there is absolutely zero conceivable scenario where Sword and Shield sells less FW than ultra sun/ultra moon. Yes, we could see a decline from sun and moon- but there is no chance we are going to see FW sales halved, which is what you're claiming is likely based on comgnet points 3 months before release.

I hope you're right. And welcome to VGChartz. Sorry if I came across as hostile. I mostly just meant it to be snarky, because lots of people like to defend their favorite games and consoles against even the slightest negative interpretation, and while I've definitely been guilty of that at times, I get tired of it sometimes if I think things really just do seem that bad and feel like people are just trying to deny bad news. Don't let me scare you away. Honestly, I think Pokemon Sw/Sh will do fine worldwide overall, but that the controversy will put a noticeable dent in things, and while I personally don't support the controversy because I'm just too excited to play the first proper home console Pokemon game to care, I am concerned on how it might impact Game Freak.



HylianSwordsman said:
schuelma said:

Again, we'll see in November but in my opinion straight comparisons to non-Switch titles are just not going to have as much value. We've seen it time and time again over the past 2 years that comgnet is even less reliable for Switch titles. 

I'll put it this way- even with another decline in mainline sales, there is absolutely zero conceivable scenario where Sword and Shield sells less FW than ultra sun/ultra moon. Yes, we could see a decline from sun and moon- but there is no chance we are going to see FW sales halved, which is what you're claiming is likely based on comgnet points 3 months before release.

I hope you're right. And welcome to VGChartz. Sorry if I came across as hostile. I mostly just meant it to be snarky, because lots of people like to defend their favorite games and consoles against even the slightest negative interpretation, and while I've definitely been guilty of that at times, I get tired of it sometimes if I think things really just do seem that bad and feel like people are just trying to deny bad news. Don't let me scare you away. Honestly, I think Pokemon Sw/Sh will do fine worldwide overall, but that the controversy will put a noticeable dent in things, and while I personally don't support the controversy because I'm just too excited to play the first proper home console Pokemon game to care, I am concerned on how it might impact Game Freak.

Fair enough and its absolutely fair to wonder whether the controversy will impact sales. I'm not a diehard Pokemon fan or anything- I just think its too early to say anything definitive, especially when comgnet has absolutely lost some of its predictive value this generation.

cheers.



We already know that most of the buyers composed of the casual crowd don't bother to pre-order their games or even less than they did in the past. This is not helped by the gains of the digital market in the last few years too.

Anyway, this is one strange day with P5R and DQ11S leading the pack with seemingly no reason as to why ...



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Great day for persona, seems the persona ip is the new FF in Japan😄



Seems to me like Switch gamers want to buy DQ XI S first. Maybe Pokemon preorders will rise after that game released?