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Osc89 on 10 May 2013

I have to agree with the OP. I will pretty much be using the Wii U for 1st party and exclusive games. This is pretty much because of when Nintendo launched it, and the power they gave it. For this first year, multiplatform games will mostly be worse than the PS360 version while developers are getting used to the system. And by the time they do, the PS4 and 720 will be out, so third party games will obviously be much better on the competition. I imagine this is pretty much why third party games on the Wii U don't sell well, and why publishers like EA aren't exactly rushing to support it.



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Dodece on 10 May 2013
superchunk said:
EA deserves this heat. Its pathetic and they shouldn't be trying to get Nintendo to leave the business.

That's all there is to it.

Do you have actual proof of that, or is this just the story you want to believe?



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superchunk on 10 May 2013
Dodece said:
superchunk said:
EA deserves this heat. Its pathetic and they shouldn't be trying to get Nintendo to leave the business.

That's all there is to it.

Do you have actual proof of that, or is this just the story you want to believe?

This thread has a great OP... http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=159755

Here is a couple of my posts in a different thread that summerizes my evidence of EAs dick moves.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5325802

All of you defending EA in regards to WiiU and then quoting sales of gimped, late, zero marketed games needs to get a reality check.

EA came out ON NINTENDO'S STAGE and said they would provide " unparallelled support" with Battlefield and sports etc. Then as launch closes in WiiU gets...

Mass Effect 3 low-budget port with zero marketing and killed off by an equally priced, heavily marketed Mass Effect trilogy on PS360.

Madden 13 low-budget port of the MADDEN 12 game. A fucking year old game with a new year on it. NONE of the upgrades the other versions were getting and that specific differences were the only advertising the Wii U version received. On top of that, it was even a late release to the other Madden 13 games.

NFS game that Criterion... NOT EA... actually spent time on to make it a better game than the other versions, yet it was still a late release. (in itself means it will sell dramatically less, why did Ubi delay Rayman again?) While Criterion had good intentions, EA did not match that support and it also received zero marketing.

How the hell can you use those games as justification for no future support? They sold exactly to the level of effort EA put into them. EA basically released them only because they were so far along it made zero sense to stop and they also wanted this crap sells argument to support their already in place plan to black-list Nintendo.

Fact is, EA is being a pathetic and childish. I was already willing to miss out on BF4 (even though I would have bought it on PC due to how my PS3 experience played out) in my ban on EA. Now I'm going to be fucked on my most favorite IP in all media formats. I knew Disney wouldn't let the SW gaming brand die and good games would come out eventually, but fucking EA... ugh.

EA has a horrible track record with games and generally they just slowly die. BF is really the only IP that has remained decent and that is likely solely due to DICE. Sure DICE would likely make a great Battlefront game too.

Madden and Tiger Woods has the same restrictions as these SW games will supposedly have. However, EA obviously has loopholes otherwise the next games for 2014 wouldn't be skipping Wii U. And no, spending another $450-$500 on another console is not an option. That's stupidity.

My only ray of hope is that EAs next CEO doesn't come in with this idiotic anti-Nintendo stance and returns EA to a far more solvent picture with supporting all viable platforms, including actually marketing them.

 

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=5327029

EA at two previous E3s (2011 and 2012) stated on stage that they were going all in with Wii U with unprecedented support. (Ubisoft said similar)

PS3 got a late ME2 port. It was heavily advertised. Sold well.
WiiU got a late ME3 port. It was never advertised. It had to compete with a METrilogy compilation on PS360 at the same price point that was actively advertised by EA.

Madden13 and FIFA13 on all other consoles launched on same date with same upgraded features for 2013.
Madden13 and FIFA13 on WiiU launched months later (this is biggest kicker for these types of games) with NONE of the newer 2013 features. In fact that lack of 2013 features is the only "advertising" Wii U variants received.

NFSMW on all other consoels same date with marketing.
NFSMW at least this one matched the content/features of the others. It was a late port. It received zero marketing. It sold accordingly.

Special note. All four of EAs games on WiiU were late ports with ZERO extra content. No other publisher did that with their late ports for WiiUs launch. They all provided free DLC or exclusive features.

EA in early 2013 has blatantly stated (this was even before NFSMW released) that WiiU will not be getting future support from them.

Now lets compare the other publishers/games you listed.

Ubisoft released:
ZombiU - exclusive title really utilizing gampad. Crazy marketing and even special bundle world-wide.
AC3 - nearly identical experience as the more mature consoles. heavily marketed as being on all the platforms, including WiiU.
Just Dance 4 - same game everywhere with same marketing support.
Marvel Avengers - same game everywhere with same marketing support.
Rabbids Land - exclusive with marketing.
yourshape - exclusive with marketing.
Sports connection - exclusive with marketing.

Ubisoft said they had hoped Wii U (the console) would have sold more, but the sales of the games were as expected based on the console's sell through. The only negative to come of this was the obvious timed-exclusive Rayman was delayed to match its Ps360 release. Yet, Wii U still has exclusive features and even a badass online portion for free out now.

Ubisoft 2013 support is strong with same next-gen titles and already same marketing.

How about BatmanAC?

Was a normal late port launch which actually included improvements of the older version (unlike any late ports from EA). Full DLC content along with a few new special features including solid marketing.

WB is obviously happy with WiiU overall as we got Injustice on same day. Sure its lacking DLC at first, but that is obviously tied to other timing issues as they probably were barely able to get the game itself caught up to speed with others. DLC will come later.

Then WB is still having same date and support for all its future games as well.

Activision.
COD is really the same as EAs madden/fifa and other yearly titles. BLOPS2 is great and guess what... there were a few other games already out from Activision as well. They have also stated that they will show plans for Ghosts for "next-gen consoles" at a later time. So anyone thinking that did not include WiiU when BLOPS2 already built that code base... you're delusional.

Additionally, other Activision games with future releases all have WiiU support as well.

 

So yes, many launch games, including Nintendo ones, did not sell millions yet. But every publisher except EA has strong future support or even publically stated they know its due to Wii U's slower hardware sell through. They are all betting on the next iterations of games to be profitable as Wii U hardware rebounds with the release of plentiful software during 2nd half of year.

Anyone who can look at the stark contrasts between EA and every other publisher and still say its not EA just being a rabid fanboy towards Nintendo... is clearly good at ignoring blatant facts. Now, this does not mean Nintendo didn't break a promise to EA to cause all this... but I think that by 2014 it will be solely EAs loss and they'll return as a result.

TL;DR

EA has consistently proven they are out to kill Nintendo with moves that are clearly not designed to be profitable.



chocoloco on 10 May 2013
Mr Khan said:
This is the last i'll say on the matter as i'm trying to avoid things that make me mad on this site.

This is not about port-begging.
This is not necessarily about wanting the games in question at all.
This is about the glaringly obvious fact that EA is picking on Nintendo specifically. Why? We don't know precisely, a number of plausible theories are floated around, but the facts remain that there was a very slim time between EA's words being "hooray for the glorious Wii U" and then their first games and subsequent actions suggesting that the Nintendo base was something unpleasant Ricitiello had just scraped off his boot.
This is about EA being completely two-faced (frostbyte works on PS360 but not on Wii U? No. That is a baldfaced lie), about them spouting total bullshit. It's about the usual suspects saying "oh, but EA is a dispassionate business." It is also, unfortunately, about several posters i respect and the rift that emerged between us (notably Carl and Kresnik, here) because i called EA on their horseshit and they, unfortunately, subscribed to the idea that EA is not acting like the most vainglorious, swollen-headed bunch of pricks ever to grace the industry since EA themselves back in the Dreamcast days.

This is about the worst company in the industry and their idea that they can sink one of the big three, the fanboys who defend it to further their anti-Nintendo agenda, and a few respectable posters who have gotten caught in the crossfire.

I apologize if I have been over-harsh (especially to, again, Carl and Kresnik). I've been angry lately for some reason that i cannot gather (part of me suspects hormones, as my life is generally going pretty well, but this is rather tangental) and i've used VGChartz and this whole debacle to vent this mystery-rage.

These are the facts of the matter. Anything else is either misunderstanding or FUD.

From an intervieiw:

Edward Williams from BMO Capital Markets.
Edward S. Williams - BMO Capital Markets U.S.

Just a couple of quick questions. Larry, I was wondering if you and Blake can kind of follow up on your comments with regards to kind of your confidence level in the cost structure as we enter this console transition

Blake J. Jorgensen - Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President

Let me start. This is Blake. I'll start with the operating margin question around the console transition. I think as everyone knows, we've given guidance over the last year that we were spending roughly $100 million a year on next-gen development. We've continued to include that in our expenses. What we've done is we've gone through a very detailed process to eliminate expenses associated with products that either aren't growing or aren't large enough or aren't on platforms that we feel are long-term viable in the industry.


 http://seekingalpha.com/article/1412...pt?part=single

They clearly think the Wii U is not a viable platform. No conspiracy to kill Nintendo. They think it will not grow in install base enough to justify putting most games on it. SMH



SOLIDSNAKE08 on 10 May 2013

why is everyone blaming EA? it looks like nobody is supporting nintendo right now, not just EA.



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osed125 on 10 May 2013
ClassicGamingWizzz said:
i think nintendo fans need to fucking deal with it or buy a ps3 or 360 if they want to play the games. Its getting boring this bitching about EA. Like EA is the only fucking reason WiiiU is selling like shit.

Who said that?



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Jaywood2010 on 10 May 2013
Carl2291 said:
Machiavellian said:

people do not purchase Nintendo systems to play 3rd party games.

Wrong. Lets use VGChartz numbers.

~460 Million 3rd party games sold on Wii.

~440 Million 3rd party games sold on DS.

~900 Million 3rd party games sold on Nintendo platforms for the generation.
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~548 Million 3rd party games sold on PS3.

~230 Million 3rd party games sold on PSP.

~778 Million 3rd party games sold on Sony platforms for the generation.
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~609 Million 3rd party games sold on X360.
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As you can see, consumers bought plenty of 3rd party games on Nintendo platforms


Look at my signature and go to breakdowns of sales for 7th generation and notice the differences with Nintendo and MSFT/Sony.  Then state what you just said.




       

Cobretti2 on 10 May 2013
JayWood2010 said:
RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:
RolStoppable said:
"It's not EA's fault that they don't do well on Nintendo systems. Their games are clearly better on other systems."

Just how much have you been drinking today?

Let's compare madden (One of EA's biggest games) to Wii madden and you can tell me which one is better.

Right now WiiU doesn't even have a big install base and the games are too similar to the X360/PS3 for them to invest at the moment.  Once again games will sell better on X360/PS3 for online capabilities in this case.

The issue is that those two sentences which sum up your original post are contradicting each other.

Also, people are mostly upset about EA's recent bullshit PR.


PR bullshit or not, people need to realize that it is a business not a charity


so by your logic EA shouldn't support next gen at all till they seach have a significant user base. 



 

 

Jaywood2010 on 10 May 2013
Cobretti2 said:
JayWood2010 said:
RolStoppable said:
JayWood2010 said:
RolStoppable said:
"It's not EA's fault that they don't do well on Nintendo systems. Their games are clearly better on other systems."

Just how much have you been drinking today?

Let's compare madden (One of EA's biggest games) to Wii madden and you can tell me which one is better.

Right now WiiU doesn't even have a big install base and the games are too similar to the X360/PS3 for them to invest at the moment.  Once again games will sell better on X360/PS3 for online capabilities in this case.

The issue is that those two sentences which sum up your original post are contradicting each other.

Also, people are mostly upset about EA's recent bullshit PR.


PR bullshit or not, people need to realize that it is a business not a charity


so by your logic EA shouldn't support next gen at all till they seach have a significant user base. 

Big difference when EA has been very successful on the other two platforms and struggles on Nintendo's.  But hey, thanks for ignoring all of my comments and OP :)




       

cannonballZ on 10 May 2013

EA didn't start mattering to me until they acquired Bioware. I love Mass Effect and Dragon Age, I am a little upset that they aren't supporting the Wii u. I don't care how much better they would have looked on the ps4 and Infinity, I would have enjoyed the game on Wii U just the same. I don't care much for sport games, but I feel games like Mass Effect, Need for Speed and Dragon Age should come to Wii U. No support after promising "unprecedented support" is slap to my face. They will not get support from me until they support Nintendo. Even if it means me missing out on the next Dragon Age and Mass Effect.