Since when has Nintendo's success vied on the support of EA? Nobody buys Nintendo consoles to play EA based games. Not one has topped I don't even think the 1 million mark on Wii. If this happens to be another GameCube era I wouldn't mind it a bit. The GameCube had some of the greatest games in existence.
| Mr Khan said: This is the last i'll say on the matter as i'm trying to avoid things that make me mad on this site. This is not about port-begging. This is not necessarily about wanting the games in question at all. This is about the glaringly obvious fact that EA is picking on Nintendo specifically. Why? We don't know precisely, a number of plausible theories are floated around, but the facts remain that there was a very slim time between EA's words being "hooray for the glorious Wii U" and then their first games and subsequent actions suggesting that the Nintendo base was something unpleasant Ricitiello had just scraped off his boot. This is about EA being completely two-faced (frostbyte works on PS360 but not on Wii U? No. That is a baldfaced lie), about them spouting total bullshit. It's about the usual suspects saying "oh, but EA is a dispassionate business." It is also, unfortunately, about several posters i respect and the rift that emerged between us (notably Carl and Kresnik, here) because i called EA on their horseshit and they, unfortunately, subscribed to the idea that EA is not acting like the most vainglorious, swollen-headed bunch of pricks ever to grace the industry since EA themselves back in the Dreamcast days. This is about the worst company in the industry and their idea that they can sink one of the big three, the fanboys who defend it to further their anti-Nintendo agenda, and a few respectable posters who have gotten caught in the crossfire. I apologize if I have been over-harsh (especially to, again, Carl and Kresnik). I've been angry lately for some reason that i cannot gather (part of me suspects hormones, as my life is generally going pretty well, but this is rather tangental) and i've used VGChartz and this whole debacle to vent this mystery-rage. These are the facts of the matter. Anything else is either misunderstanding or FUD. |
I've poured this whole post through a fine sieve, and the only actual reasoning I can find that you've put forward as to why your dislike of EA is rational, as separated from just the pure hatred and the name calling, is the line "frostbyte works on PS360 but not on Wii U? No. That is a baldfaced lie". Thing is they never said that, the guy just said the results of testing the engine were 'not too promising'. So, this post really is just a continuation of your baseless hatred that I've grown accustomed to seeing from you in every EA thread. (I particularly like the insinuation of just how many people not on your side of the argument must be anti-nintendo fanboys.) Hopefully this really is the last time you comment on the issue, because what you post on this topic is mostly toxic and I think reflects poorly on Wii U fans and those with legitimate gripes against EA.
| Mr Khan said: I apologize if I have been over-harsh (especially to, again, Carl and Kresnik). I've been angry lately for some reason that i cannot gather (part of me suspects hormones, as my life is generally going pretty well, but this is rather tangental) and i've used VGChartz and this whole debacle to vent this mystery-rage. |
Hey. No big deal! Debates on the Internet are fun, right? 
We all get rowdy sometimes.
RolStoppable said:
See, this is exactly what many Nintendo fans on these forums have been saying weeks before the Wii U launch. All the signs that EA set up these games for failure were there before release, so it was clear that EA's games would do terribly. Consequently, these poor sales would then be used by EA as justification to pull Wii U support and forum members around here would jump to EA's defense and say that it is a logical business decision to pull support.
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I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I also want to point out that NFS MW on the WiiU is the best version of the game. Seems like they put effort into that ;)
NintendoPie said:
You're just proving a point that I don't think you were actually trying to prove. People don't buy third-party titles on Nintendo systems because (many times) they are the crap version out of the three. This is not Nintendo's fault, it is the third-party developers fault. OT: EA gets blamed for a lot, some is needed, some is not. I think it's great that EA is being cautious about their releases on Nintendo consoles, but is it necessary to be cautious to the point where you barely do anything good for the console? No, not really. |
Its not that the Nintendo version is the crap version, its just that people do not purchase Nintendo systems to play 3rd party games. Even with that said the other thing to remember is that Nintendo is the one who decidded to go their own way. For 3rd party developers this make it tough for them to take their games and port them between different systems. When you have a large install base like the Wii, then taking a risk on the system is much less when you consider the base for the Wii U.
No matter what the PR statement was in the past, EA just laid off a lot of people and there is a restucturing going on. The company has not choice but to make decisions for the good of that company. Nintendo system being the odd man out seems like the ideal choice when trying to limit risk. The PS4 and Nextbox will be x86 devices just like the PC so porting between all three of those platforms should be easier. Having to code for the Wii U system then for that controller just is not worth it in time and resources for a company struggling.
So, will EA still be chilled by gamers, Yes they will but then again gamers do not have to run the business and keep it from going under. Instead EA has to do what they need to do to remain in business. Tough choices will need to be made and this is probably the first of many that will start to come.
People are mad at EA cause they are making shit games left and right. The trail of EA is littered with the dead bodies of prior consumed game studios.
Also, no game developer that does not want to create new style games that use the gamepad gives a shit about the WiiU. Currently many studios want to make traditional games, which most would deem useless to attempt to make on the WiiU.
How many WiiU owners want to play Madden on the WiiU when it doesn't have any extras that use the gamepad? Next to none I'll bet.
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| pokoko said: EA is a business that has chosen to invest their resources in one direction and not another. That's the bottom line. As those resources are EA's to invest, they get to make the decision on that. Not gamers. Not bloggers. Not forum-goers. This is the same for any business that has finite resources, and it's obvious that EA is trying to streamline the process of where their resources are spent in order to maximize efficiency. If you only had a certain amount to invest, wouldn't you try to invest where you get the greatest return? Sometimes when reading these forums, I have to step back and remember that not everyone has business experience. I read people talking about expensive investments as though these companies use free Monopoly money that they can just print out at will. "Oh, it doesn't cost anything else to make a Wii U version, they've already got the PS3 and 360 versions!" It kind of blows my mind that people think that, as though these games are made by a couple of guys working for minimum wage who can knock out a port in a couple of days. I know with the Vita, it kind of gets frustrating when certain companies don't develop for it. Do I think they're making a mistake by not working to help build an alternative market? Yes. Do I think Vita gamers are hungry for content and that the Vita represents a "blue ocean"? Absolutely. Am I mad that these companies aren't willing to invest in the game system that I like a lot? No, I'm not. They can do as they wish with their money, even if I believe they should rethink their position. I've got to say, a lot of the rage I see directed at EA seems kind of childish. |
Wasn't the number $1.000.000 for a WiiU port thrown around by Ubisoft? If it is correct even 60.000 copies would be enough to make a (small) profit off the port even if the publisher should only receive $20 of the $60 the consumer pays (does anyone have the real number?). Obviously not all EA games on the WiiU did even manage that, but honestly EA did their best to justify the low sales.
1.) Madden and Fifa 13 were ports of Madden and Fifa 12 - outdated and with 70€ (so probably $70?) 10€ - 15€ more expensive than the PS360 version
2.) Mass Effect 3 released around the same time as Trilogy - and was MORE EXPENSIVE -> No incentive to buy
Can I point out a Wii success for EA?
Sims.
Sims games on Wii sold close to 8 Million units. Sims games on PS3 sold 1.5 Million units. Sims games on 360 sold 1.7 Million units.
And another one?
Tiger Woods PGA Tour.
TWPGAT games on Wii sold 4.7 Million units. TWPGAT games on PS3 sold 4.6 Million units. TWPGAT games on 360 sold 4.1 Million units.
Can someone tell me what these games have in common? Sims and Tiger Woods on Wii?
Electronic Arts has a right to support or to not support any console provider they so choose. They aren't beholden, and nobody should feel entitled. They also have the right to do what they want with the things they have bought. A franchise license isn't just given to them. They have to pay for it with their own money. Companies make promises all the time, and often fail to live up to them. That is something we are all guilty of, and frankly we haven't heard their side of the story, and they aren't obligated to explain that to us either.
For all we know Nintendo made promises of their own, and failed to honor them. In other words Electronic Arts may very well have intended to give Nintendo more support this time around, and Nintendo decided to back out after they had gotten that endorsement from Electronic Arts. Then again it could be as simple as Electronic Arts has suffered some setbacks it hadn't expected, and as a consequence of restructuring they had to limit their development platforms. Are you going to tell me that Nintendo has never failed to deliver on promises.
There isn't an actual justification for all of this bad behavior. It is just a lot of petty bitching and moaning. From people who are upset that the lack of support will harm their console of choice. Causing it to sell even worse, and as a very real consequence of that. Its reputation will take a hit as will their own. The greatest irony is that they aren't doing their own brand of choice any favors with this behavior. Trashing Electronic Arts, and its games. Is going to have the exact opposite effect of what they intend.
They are telling Electronic Arts that they don't want their games, and they don't want to do business with them. Which is basically a way of saying fuck off, and don't you dare come back. Worse it is going to drive down the sales of their games on the platform. Which is the only effective way to address the situation. If the sales of those game saw a dramatic increase then Electronic Arts might be tempted to reconsider.
What I think is really getting lost in all of this is the credibility of a lot of posters. You aren't hurting Electronic Arts. You aren't helping Nintendo either. The only thing you are really doing is destroying your reputations, because you have discarded all pretense of dispassionate observation. Frankly at least some of you are better then this.
JayWood2010 said:
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The thing is, EA already released a Madden for WiiU. Would it really be that big of a time/money sink to just update the roster - even if it meant no new physics again - for a version of Madden '14? Is it going to sell that terribly that they'd see it as a money loser for them? I'm no expert, but I can't imagine that it wouldn't be a profitable endeavor for them at this stage.
We can debate Battlefield 4 not coming to WiiU until the cows come home, but if the N64, GC, Wii... even the DS received Madden games in their day I really don't see any logical reason for skipping a quick port for the WiiU this year.
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