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osed125 on 10 May 2013
Bong Lover said:
It is painfully evident from the interview that the developer never really has had any serious ambitions to work on Nintendo platforms, probably buying into the whole Nintendo is for casuals hive-mind thing that has gaming journalists, publishers, developers and ethomaz collectively looking like tools. Instead of being men enough to make that decisions and back it up, they cook up some stupid excuse like people are prone to do.

Lol @bold xD



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twilight_link on 10 May 2013

the western 3rd party AAA developers hate Nintendo because Nintendo was THE company that moved center of videogaming from incompetent West to Japan they were unable to compete with quality of their games on their platforms so they began supporting Sega and then when more capable and then financially secure company -Sony entered the market they treated Sega as leper. They succeeded in the end with appealing to primitive crowd.

This is the only reason why we hear constant stream of primitive excuses why not support N64, Gamecube, Wii and WiiU.

 

They of course fear them now because Nintendo is the only platform holder whose success is not dependent on their support



osed125 on 10 May 2013

According to the same guy a lot of his contacts in both the US and EU seemed to be happy with Nintendo's support (from both 2nd and 3rd party devs). He also says that Nintendo has been present in EVERY conference (in both the US and EU), from small ones to GDC, and that planning a meeting with them is not really hard. If what this guy says is true looks like the problem with Avalanche is Avalanche themselves and/or their publisher (SE?).  

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57324056&postcount=1292

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=57326260&postcount=1304

PS: does anyone know which games this guy worked on?



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happydolphin on 10 May 2013
Bong Lover said:
If you read the original quote in the original article it's pretty obvious that in the past, they've made one (or a couple) of attempts to contact Nintendo, didn't have a clue who to talk to and never really figured out where to go. The quote that is carried on to the gaming world is that Nintendo has always been difficult for them to get in contact with, which ignores the next couple of sentences that shows what the story is really all about.

They said that if Nintendo had been reaching out to them more, they would have felt more enthusiastic and maybe wanted to make something cool or good. They feel Nintendo should have done what Sony did, reach out to them and make them come to their platform. In other words stroke their ego and sell them the narrative they want to believe in: That they are an important developing powerhouse that console manufacturers should bend over backwards to have on their console.

It's the mindset of children set to do an adults work: Well if they can't be bothered to want to work with us, I'll take my code and play somewhere else.

If you are this hot shit developer you think you are, and you really want to make a game for Nintendo you find out who you need to contact. If whatever random person you happened to contact at Nintendo doesn't know who to speak to, do the incredibly difficult task of looking up a comparable developer that has published on a Nintendo platform and ask them who they contacted to get the process started.

It is painfully evident from the interview that the developer never really has had any serious ambitions to work on Nintendo platforms, probably buying into the whole Nintendo is for casuals hive-mind thing that has gaming journalists, publishers, developers and ethomaz collectively looking like tools. Instead of being men enough to make that decisions and back it up, they cook up some stupid excuse like people are prone to do.

@bold. And the haters eat it up like cake. Beautiful post.



Torillian on 10 May 2013
the_dengle said:
Torillian said:


Of course it's not black or white.  As someone who deals with company PR it's definitely on a person by person basis.  You might get lucky and find someone that's super easy to get a hold of and always willing to help and then if they leave for a different company the person that replaces them may never return your calls.  You can't just say, "oh 2 companies had a good experience so that means Nintendo is always available".  Even if you could you're going to have to prove first that the two indie devs that you're probably hearing about for the first time today are more believable than Avalanche.  

I mostly agree with you, but the bolded is among the most lol-worthy quotes in this thread. You see that the second indie dev is WayForward, right? Can't imagine how anyone on this site could have gone through the past year without hearing about them.

 

I mean, if you you've never heard of WayForward, you're doing something wrong.

EDIT: Did I mention A Boy and His Blob? I did not mention A Boy and His Blob. I've made a huge mistake. This is me mentioning A Boy and His Blob.


Knew I'd get someone saying something like this.  Happens whenever you say something about a developer, but since I only vaguely recalled the name WayForward I stand by the idea that Happy had more than likely not heard of the two names before today.  Could be untrue but since Khan doesn't recognize who Avalanche is I don't think it's a stretch to say that WayForward is less of a known than Avalanche and therefore it's plausible if not likely that any random person hadn't heard of WayForward.  



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dahuman on 10 May 2013
Torillian said:
the_dengle said:
Torillian said:


Of course it's not black or white.  As someone who deals with company PR it's definitely on a person by person basis.  You might get lucky and find someone that's super easy to get a hold of and always willing to help and then if they leave for a different company the person that replaces them may never return your calls.  You can't just say, "oh 2 companies had a good experience so that means Nintendo is always available".  Even if you could you're going to have to prove first that the two indie devs that you're probably hearing about for the first time today are more believable than Avalanche.  

I mostly agree with you, but the bolded is among the most lol-worthy quotes in this thread. You see that the second indie dev is WayForward, right? Can't imagine how anyone on this site could have gone through the past year without hearing about them.

 

I mean, if you you've never heard of WayForward, you're doing something wrong.

EDIT: Did I mention A Boy and His Blob? I did not mention A Boy and His Blob. I've made a huge mistake. This is me mentioning A Boy and His Blob.


Knew I'd get someone saying something like this.  Happens whenever you say something about a developer, but since I only vaguely recalled the name WayForward I stand by the idea that Happy had more than likely not heard of the two names before today.  Could be untrue but since Khan doesn't recognize who Avalanche is I don't think it's a stretch to say that WayForward is less of a known than Avalanche and therefore it's plausible if not likely that any random person hadn't heard of WayForward.  


Would this help? http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158511



KHlover on 10 May 2013
Torillian said:
the_dengle said:
Torillian said:


Of course it's not black or white.  As someone who deals with company PR it's definitely on a person by person basis.  You might get lucky and find someone that's super easy to get a hold of and always willing to help and then if they leave for a different company the person that replaces them may never return your calls.  You can't just say, "oh 2 companies had a good experience so that means Nintendo is always available".  Even if you could you're going to have to prove first that the two indie devs that you're probably hearing about for the first time today are more believable than Avalanche.  

I mostly agree with you, but the bolded is among the most lol-worthy quotes in this thread. You see that the second indie dev is WayForward, right? Can't imagine how anyone on this site could have gone through the past year without hearing about them.

 

I mean, if you you've never heard of WayForward, you're doing something wrong.

EDIT: Did I mention A Boy and His Blob? I did not mention A Boy and His Blob. I've made a huge mistake. This is me mentioning A Boy and His Blob.


Knew I'd get someone saying something like this.  Happens whenever you say something about a developer, but since I only vaguely recalled the name WayForward I stand by the idea that Happy had more than likely not heard of the two names before today.  Could be untrue but since Khan doesn't recognize who Avalanche is I don't think it's a stretch to say that WayForward is less of a known than Avalanche and therefore it's plausible if not likely that any random person hadn't heard of WayForward.  

I heared of their games (especially Mighty Switch Force), but I never even saw their name mentioned anywhere on VGChartz....



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NintendoPie on 10 May 2013
Torillian said:


Of course it's not black or white.  As someone who deals with company PR it's definitely on a person by person basis.  You might get lucky and find someone that's super easy to get a hold of and always willing to help and then if they leave for a different company the person that replaces them may never return your calls.  You can't just say, "oh 2 companies had a good experience so that means Nintendo is always available".  Even if you could you're going to have to prove first that the two indie devs that you're probably hearing about for the first time today are more believable than Avalanche.  

This bodes true with Sony and Microsoft as well.

OT: At least Nintendo did something right in the vein of indie developers. No matter if this always happens...



happydolphin on 10 May 2013
Torillian said:

Knew I'd get someone saying something like this.  Happens whenever you say something about a developer, but since I only vaguely recalled the name WayForward I stand by the idea that Happy had more than likely not heard of the two names before today.  Could be untrue but since Khan doesn't recognize who Avalanche is I don't think it's a stretch to say that WayForward is less of a known than Avalanche and therefore it's plausible if not likely that any random person hadn't heard of WayForward.  

The first indie dev in OP isn't named so it'll be hard for you to judge.

Wayforward does ring a bell, but I didn't realize they made Shantae and MSF until now, I should have known since I visited the eshop on a number of occasions in the past. Ultimately, I trust the makers of Shantae, MSF and other Nintendo-friendly indie games more than Avalanche, we have heard too much stuff regarding non-friendly devs that bash Nintendo at any occasion and the mainstream media is ridden with it.



Talal on 10 May 2013
happydolphin said:
Torillian said:

Knew I'd get someone saying something like this.  Happens whenever you say something about a developer, but since I only vaguely recalled the name WayForward I stand by the idea that Happy had more than likely not heard of the two names before today.  Could be untrue but since Khan doesn't recognize who Avalanche is I don't think it's a stretch to say that WayForward is less of a known than Avalanche and therefore it's plausible if not likely that any random person hadn't heard of WayForward.  

The first indie dev in OP isn't named so it'll be hard for you to judge.

Wayforward does ring a bell, but I didn't realize they made Shantae and MSF until now, I should have known since I visited the eshop on a number of occasions in the past. Ultimately, I trust the makers of Shantae, MSF and other Nintendo-friendly indie games more than Avalanche, we have heard too much stuff regarding non-friendly devs that bash Nintendo at any occasion and the mainstream media is ridden with it.


I really believe that things like that don't just happen out of the blue. There must be something that Nintendo does differently for that to happen.