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Gugerface on 08 May 2013
LilChicken22 said:
Gugerface

It actually works that way. You can't blame a NEW console with a limited install base to sell bad compared to others who are already YEARS on the market. Please be reasonable for once. Every consoles struggles at launch. For the love of Mario give it 2 years.


So you think that those publishers got the money for 450k and 4,5m or whatever sales? No, they did not. That is just your fantasy.



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Player2 on 08 May 2013
FIFA 07 Soccer X360 2006 Sports Electronic Arts 0.24 0.01 0.00 0.02 0.27

The only next-gen version of the game with HD graphics (except PC).

The only console version with proper online.

Released in October, not in March.

And Fifa being several orders of magnitude bigger than NFS.

 

EA stopped their 360 support after this right?



mii-gamer on 08 May 2013
Gugerface said:
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
Gugerface said:
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
mii-gamer said:
when did 3rd party games dictate the success the fate of nintendo consoles?


that would be around about the time nintendo released a console and expected buyers to wait a full year for first party games...

lol at the hyperbole. proves you know nothing

Actually that was pretty decent argument, when you look at the current sales numbers. Care to refute his argument instead of just lolling?


its nice to know there are at least some intelligent folk on these forums willing to think about things beyond a knee jerk reaction, you hav my gratitude.

im just so tired of seeing the 'screw third parties we dont need them if theyre going to talk crap about the wiiu', when said 3rd parties are given little to no reason to support the console.

Why spend heaps of cash to release a title on the wiiu if your efforts are rewarded with such poor sales simply because youre not first party?

Easily.

Basically he saying the Wii U is doing so poorly because no one is buying 3rd party games? Poor 3rd party games!

let me ask you this. What sells a Nintendo console? Who developes the games that sell the most in a nintendo console? answere me and then you will realise i won the argument

So which of those Nintendo developed games are flying the Wii U's off the shelves at the moment? You should answer that before announcing yourself as the winner of the argument, because the guy is arguing that... Wii U isn't selling because the drought from Nintendo and the lack of 3rd party games.

Sometimes I feel that people aren't even reading what is being discussed...

@Just because they don't have the system seller at the moment doesn't mean they won't have one in the future. So there goes your argument again. Besides NSMBU has a good attach rate for the Wii U


take your own advice and read the op. Not once did he mention the game drought which i agree is the underlying problem of the wii u right now. He is stating the wii u is in trouble because the wii u owners are not buying the 3rd party games and that it is our fault the wii u is selling shitty. Which is untrue. Have a seat



DanneSandin on 08 May 2013
LilChicken22 said:
DanneSandin said:
KHlover said:
Tachikoma said:
KHlover said:
Hint: Six months late

Sooo, i say the problem is nintendo fans dont buy 3rd party for stupid reasons and your argument is that the real problem is that nintendo games are 6 months late? thanks for confirming my point.


I already bought the game six months before it was released on the WiiU, why would I buy it again? And Ubisoft seems to be satisfied enough to port their major games over in fall, Capcom and TT also had some good sales with MH and Lego City. WiiU owners do buy 3rd party games, what they don't buy are late ports.

Thanks for confirming my low opinion of you.

But let me ask you this then: how come Mass Effect 2 sold fairly well on PS3, when it was released 6 months after the X360 version and wasn't superior in any way, while NFSMW was released after the PS360 version and was superior but didn't sell at all...? I mean... that IS weird!

So I guess that a console with an install base of 3,4 million has to sell the same amount or more than a console with an install base of 77 million when we're talking about late released third party ports? THAT is funny. Look at the proportion :

Need for Speed MW U sold 20.000. (77m/3,4m) x 20.000 =  450.000 units which isn't bad at all for a Nintendo console. Nintendo gamers buy Nintendo consoles for especially Nintendo games.

Another example: Sonic All Star Racing Transformed sold: Wii U: 210.000, PS3: 220.000, X360: 260.000. If Wii U had the same amount of consoles sold like PS3 (77m); (77m/3,4m) x 210.000 = 4,75m. And that is A LOT more than your beloved Playstation fetish. It also depends on the people who buy consoles right? Nintendo consoles got another kind of gamers. Sonic sells more on Nintendo platforms (also with Wii), and your racer sells more on your Playstation. And please don't come with excuses like 'Sonic sucks'. Making games is a business.

 Lego City sold around 260.000 on Wii U. If Wii U has 34 million units sold, Lego would be around 2,6 million units sold and those are excellent numbers.

 

Oh lol =) You so funny!

20k sold on whatever console is a failure, no matter what the instal base (as long as it's like 1m+). If you put some effort into your game, even making it the superior version, and it only sell 20k... Are you really willing to give it another go? They didn't even get their money back from porting it! You said it yourself; making games is a business, and making games for Wii U is bad business (right now).

And you said this as well (I'm paraphrasing): Nintendo gamers buy Nintendo games. SO that begs the question, why would 3rd parties even bother releasing games on Wii U when they won't sell? It's business, remember? And Wii is the ONLY console to ever win a gen WITHOUT superior 3rd party support. And Wii U obviously is no Wii, so it'll need 3rd party support to sell (really) well, which it won't get because (and this is important) Nintendo gamers buy Nintendo games.

And fucking LOL at your comment about "your beloved Playstation fetish" and "on your Playstation". Go looki up what kind of games I play before you speak. You are blatantly ignorant. It's just sad.



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Porcupine_I on 08 May 2013

What are you talking about? It has already been determined it's EA's fault!



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

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Tachikoma on 08 May 2013

argument: wiiu doing badly because no first party titles and owners arent buying 3rd party for stupid reasons
retort: us fans only buy nintendo games! thats what nintendo consoles live off of!

okay so why exactly are you bothering to respond if youre just going to prove my point? the wiiu cannot survive off of 1st party alone and still expect to sell over 50m, so pick one 'actually, wiiu does need some 3rd party support, and we need to buy said 3rd party games' or 'yeah wiiu will get some great first party games but with onl 1st party is destined to sell well below its presecessor' you can't have both, this isnt la la land.



Gugerface on 08 May 2013

I'm out of this thread before the banhammer. No point in arguing against Nintendo fans, it will only get you banned.



DanneSandin on 08 May 2013
Gugerface said:
I'm out of this thread before the banhammer. No point in arguing against Nintendo fans, it will only get you banned.

No, it all depends on HOW you argue. I'm confident I won't get banned, because I'm discusing a fair point in a civil manner.



I'm on Twitter @DanneSandin!

Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

Tachikoma on 08 May 2013
Gugerface said:
I'm out of this thread before the banhammer. No point in arguing against Nintendo fans, it will only get you banned.


so long dude, it was nice knowing you, ill see you on the other side, as soon as nintendo loving moderator returns from peachtube i'm a gonner



mii-gamer on 08 May 2013
Gugerface said:
I'm out of this thread before the banhammer. No point in arguing against Nintendo fans, it will only get you banned.

we all know why you are leaving. O.W.N.E.D