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mii-gamer on 08 May 2013
Tachikoma said:
Gugerface said:
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
mii-gamer said:
when did 3rd party games dictate the success the fate of nintendo consoles?


that would be around about the time nintendo released a console and expected buyers to wait a full year for first party games...

lol at the hyperbole. proves you know nothing

Actually that was pretty decent argument, when you look at the current sales numbers. Care to refute his argument instead of just lolling?


its nice to know there are at least some intelligent folk on these forums willing to think about things beyond a knee jerk reaction, you hav my gratitude.

im just so tired of seeing the 'screw third parties we dont need them if theyre going to talk crap about the wiiu', when said 3rd parties are given little to no reason to support the console.

Why spend heaps of cash to release a title on the wiiu if your efforts are rewarded with such poor sales simply because youre not first party?

Easily.

Basically he saying the Wii U is doing so poorly because no one is buying 3rd party games? Poor 3rd party games!

let me ask you this. What sells a Nintendo console? Who developes the games that sell the most in a nintendo console? answere me and then you will realise i won the argument



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LilChicken22 on 08 May 2013
DanneSandin said:
KHlover said:
Tachikoma said:
KHlover said:
Hint: Six months late

Sooo, i say the problem is nintendo fans dont buy 3rd party for stupid reasons and your argument is that the real problem is that nintendo games are 6 months late? thanks for confirming my point.


I already bought the game six months before it was released on the WiiU, why would I buy it again? And Ubisoft seems to be satisfied enough to port their major games over in fall, Capcom and TT also had some good sales with MH and Lego City. WiiU owners do buy 3rd party games, what they don't buy are late ports.

Thanks for confirming my low opinion of you.

But let me ask you this then: how come Mass Effect 2 sold fairly well on PS3, when it was released 6 months after the X360 version and wasn't superior in any way, while NFSMW was released after the PS360 version and was superior but didn't sell at all...? I mean... that IS weird!

So I guess that a console with an install base of 3,4 million has to sell the same amount or more than a console with an install base of 77 million when we're talking about late released third party ports? THAT is funny. Look at the proportion :

Need for Speed MW U sold 20.000. (77m/3,4m) x 20.000 =  450.000 units which isn't bad at all for a Nintendo console. Nintendo gamers buy Nintendo consoles for especially Nintendo games.

Another example: Sonic All Star Racing Transformed sold: Wii U: 210.000, PS3: 220.000, X360: 260.000. If Wii U had the same amount of consoles sold like PS3 (77m); (77m/3,4m) x 210.000 = 4,75m. And that is A LOT more than your beloved Playstation fetish. It also depends on the people who buy consoles right? Nintendo consoles got another kind of gamers. Sonic sells more on Nintendo platforms (also with Wii), and your racer sells more on your Playstation. And please don't come with excuses like 'Sonic sucks'. Making games is a business.

 Lego City sold around 260.000 on Wii U. If Wii U has 34 million units sold, Lego would be around 2,6 million units sold and those are excellent numbers.

 



Gugerface on 08 May 2013
Tachikoma said:


its nice to know there are at least some intelligent folk on these forums willing to think about things beyond a knee jerk reaction, you hav my gratitude.

im just so tired of seeing the 'screw third parties we dont need them if theyre going to talk crap about the wiiu', when said 3rd parties are given little to no reason to support the console.

Why spend heaps of cash to release a title on the wiiu if your efforts are rewarded with such poor sales simply because youre not first party?

they of course claim its down to shoddy ports or old ports, yet shoddy and old ports sell just fine on other systems, hmmm

I am perfectly fine with them screwing the third parties, but when they whine about lack of support after that, it makes me want to puke. Third parties aren't doing their business to appease fans of consoles, they are there to try to make money. If people aren't willing to buy the games, publishers aren't willing to release the games.

Excuses are just excuses. Money talks and bullsh*t walks.



Conegamer on 08 May 2013

I think the key thing to remember is that a lot, if not all, of the 3rd party games were released on other systems much earlier than the Wii U version. Infact, I can't think of a single 3rd party game which launched the same day on the Wii U as other systems. So of course the sales are going to be low, it would be the case for any game, on any system (let alone one with such a small install base).

The real test will be later in the year, where games like Call Of Duty, Watch Dogs and Assassin's Creed launch at the same time on all systems. Do not judge the entire Wii U (nay, Nintendo) fanbase over a couple of cheap, late ports.

And regardless of all that, it isn't the real reason the Wii U is struggling. That's a lack of marketing, and yes, first party software. Why buy a £300 system to play late ports of games you can already own? This is why it is struggling, so those saying "wait for the 1st party games" are accurate in this respect; you need something to distinguish yourselves from the masses, after all.



 

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Gugerface on 08 May 2013
LilChicken22 said:
DanneSandin said:
KHlover said:
Tachikoma said:
KHlover said:
Hint: Six months late

Sooo, i say the problem is nintendo fans dont buy 3rd party for stupid reasons and your argument is that the real problem is that nintendo games are 6 months late? thanks for confirming my point.


I already bought the game six months before it was released on the WiiU, why would I buy it again? And Ubisoft seems to be satisfied enough to port their major games over in fall, Capcom and TT also had some good sales with MH and Lego City. WiiU owners do buy 3rd party games, what they don't buy are late ports.

Thanks for confirming my low opinion of you.

But let me ask you this then: how come Mass Effect 2 sold fairly well on PS3, when it was released 6 months after the X360 version and wasn't superior in any way, while NFSMW was released after the PS360 version and was superior but didn't sell at all...? I mean... that IS weird!

So I guess that a console with an install base of 3,4 million has to sell the same amount or more than a console with an install base of 77 million when we're talking about late released third party ports? THAT is funny. Look at the proportion :

Need for Speed MW U sold 20.000. (77m/3,4m) x 20.000 =  450.000 units which isn't bad at all for a Nintendo console. Nintendo gamers buy Nintendo consoles for especially Nintendo games.

Another example: Sonic All Star Racing Transformed sold: Wii U: 210.000, PS3: 220.000, X360: 260.000. If Wii U had the same amount of consoles sold like PS3 (77m); (77m/3,4m) x 210.000 = 4,75m. And that is A LOT more than your beloved Playstation fetish. It also depends on the people who buy consoles right? Nintendo consoles got another kind of gamers. Sonic sells more on Nintendo platforms (also with Wii), and your racer sells more on your Playstation. And please don't come with excuses like 'Sonic sucks'. Making games is a business.

 

 

You do realize that it does not work like that in reality? The game sold 20k on Wii U, period. The other game sold 210k on Wii U, period.



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FrancisNobleman on 08 May 2013

Wii U is the new PS3 till E3 now that it isn't funny to beat on that dead horse called Vita.

Brace yourselves, software is coming.



LilChicken22 on 08 May 2013

Gugerface

It actually works that way. You can't blame a NEW console with a limited install base to sell bad compared to others who are already YEARS on the market. Please be reasonable for once. Every consoles struggles at launch. For the love of Mario give it 2 years.



KHlover on 08 May 2013
kowenicki said:
This is a perfect chicken and egg debate isn't it...

I'd say that Nintendo owners didn't buy enough 3rd party games during Wii days as 1st party more than catered for their needs.... so 3rd parties diminished their support.

Nothing wrong with this and Nintendo are surely at fault for not seeing this as a major issue and having enough first party available for WiiU early adopters.

It is pretty obvious to me and I have no idea why Nintendo fans don't, or cant, see this. You cant blame a business for chasing the money and ignoring loss making avenues. Don't shout at 3rd parties for not supporting if you never buy 3rd party games.

If you want to blame anyone, blame Nintendo.


Actually Nintendo only sold 390Mil of the total 840 Mil SW of the Wii (Source: Game Database and console overview here on VGC), go figure...



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Tachikoma on 08 May 2013
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
Gugerface said:
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
mii-gamer said:
when did 3rd party games dictate the success the fate of nintendo consoles?


that would be around about the time nintendo released a console and expected buyers to wait a full year for first party games...

lol at the hyperbole. proves you know nothing

Actually that was pretty decent argument, when you look at the current sales numbers. Care to refute his argument instead of just lolling?


its nice to know there are at least some intelligent folk on these forums willing to think about things beyond a knee jerk reaction, you hav my gratitude.

im just so tired of seeing the 'screw third parties we dont need them if theyre going to talk crap about the wiiu', when said 3rd parties are given little to no reason to support the console.

Why spend heaps of cash to release a title on the wiiu if your efforts are rewarded with such poor sales simply because youre not first party?

let me ask you this. What sells a Nintendo console? Who developes the games that sell the most in a nintendo console? answere me and then you will realise i won the argument

apparently ubisofts just dance series just called and wants a word..



Gugerface on 08 May 2013
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
Gugerface said:
mii-gamer said:
Tachikoma said:
mii-gamer said:
when did 3rd party games dictate the success the fate of nintendo consoles?


that would be around about the time nintendo released a console and expected buyers to wait a full year for first party games...

lol at the hyperbole. proves you know nothing

Actually that was pretty decent argument, when you look at the current sales numbers. Care to refute his argument instead of just lolling?


its nice to know there are at least some intelligent folk on these forums willing to think about things beyond a knee jerk reaction, you hav my gratitude.

im just so tired of seeing the 'screw third parties we dont need them if theyre going to talk crap about the wiiu', when said 3rd parties are given little to no reason to support the console.

Why spend heaps of cash to release a title on the wiiu if your efforts are rewarded with such poor sales simply because youre not first party?

Easily.

Basically he saying the Wii U is doing so poorly because no one is buying 3rd party games? Poor 3rd party games!

let me ask you this. What sells a Nintendo console? Who developes the games that sell the most in a nintendo console? answere me and then you will realise i won the argument

So which of those Nintendo developed games are flying the Wii U's off the shelves at the moment? You should answer that before announcing yourself as the winner of the argument, because the guy is arguing that... Wii U isn't selling because the drought from Nintendo and the lack of 3rd party games.

Sometimes I feel that people aren't even reading what is being discussed...