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Wouldnt the GCN be considered to be the same (not financially)? (and that was a pretty good system)

Dreamcast forced out Sega out of the hardware race - I doubt the same will happen to Nintendo (and if by any chance it has the potential - I hope it doesnt).



    

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I think not... Wii U will never kill Nintendo and they will create a new console for the next-gen.

For now Wii U seems like a new GC.

I think Nintendo can and want more... a lot more.



ethomaz said:
I think not... Wii U will never kill Nintendo and they will create a new console for the next-gen.

For now Wii U seems like a new GC.

I think Nintendo can and want more... a lot more.


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To answer your final question, no, Wii U will win this gen and Dreamcast didn't win its.

I don't think the Wii U is going to win this generation. Unfortunately Nintendo marketed the system incorrectly and all overpriced the system. Having a small storage unit and a lack of quality exclusives didn't help either. What's worse is 3rd party developers who had promised games for it are now pulling out their support. Nintendo has to figure out how to get them back. People need to remember that Nintendo has always been about Nintendo (Sony too at times, but they seem to be changing now.). Nintendo has always said , "If 3rd Party want to make games for the system, all they had to do is pay for a dev kit and they can start immediately. Basically they left it up to 3rd party developers to make up their minds if they wanted to support their systems or not. Nintendo never physically went out and seeks 3rd party developers to make games for them, as they've always had LOTS of 3rd Party support for the NES, SNES, N64 and the Wii. Not, that is not the case and they are wondering what's going on. They will have to work hard to get developers back on board. Even EA (who has been a huge supporter of all Nintendo systems) are pulling their titles. No Madden on the Wii U? That's huge. So, it's doubtful Nintendo will win this generation.



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AnthonyW86 said:

I saw this article and i found the idea pretty interesting: http://www.explosion.com/30989/why-the-wii-u-is-destined-to-become-the-next-sega-dreamcast/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_57717

I think some important points where missed though. For one Nintendo's first party line-up is much stronger than Sega's was, and so is Nintendo's financial position.

However the Dreamcast final blow was piracy, and recent rumours suggest that the Wii-U has already been hacked. Also Nintendo barely makes an profit on the Wii-U system itself if any, a situation very different to that of the Wii and other Nintendo home consoles.

Wii-U even if it would fail would not force NIntendo out of the hardware market, but could we be looking back on the Wii-U 5 years from now as we do on the Dreamcast?

LOL, Nintendo releases before Sony for once and now it's being compared to the Dreamcast? Wii launched days apart from the PS3 and it outsold the PS3!

Also like you said, Sega was going through a tough time. Dreamcast released 2 years before then PS2 and 3 before the GCN/XB. It entered the 6th gen prematurely, and without much financial backing after Saturns poor sales.

Plus Sega was just entering the 3D gaming industry, and while Sonic Adventure and Skies of Arcadia were excellent games, they also cost a bit to develop and didn't sell that well.

Nintendo will not be hurt by the Wii U, it might not sell as well as the Wii, but remember the PSP had piracy issues too and it sold 75 million units! I expect the Wii U to be Nintendo's second best selling home system, after the Wii, ahead of the NES and SNES. However I do agree, they need to really work on their 9th gen system, they can't focus on Handhelds all the time.



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AnthonyW86 said:
curl-6 said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
It would be nice if someone could get some unique thought and discuss the Wii U for what it is instead of comparing to old systems under very different circumstances.

Some people are just addicted to Nintendoom, they can't seem to sleep at night unless they read/write a new "Nintendo is dying" piece every day. The doomsayers are going to look just as stupid in 2 years as the people who claimed the PS3 was doomed in 2007 and the 3DS was doomed in 2011 do now.

I am tagging this comment for 2 years from now, i think you will be wrong. And i'm not saying Wii-U is completely doomed, i'm still expecting it to sell 30m-40m. Though the possiblity that it will do much worse is there, and there are similarities with the Dreamcast.

If it does 30-40 million, then I will have been proven right, not wrong.

30-40 million is 3-4 times what the Dreamcast sold.



Soundwave said:
curl-6 said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
It would be nice if someone could get some unique thought and discuss the Wii U for what it is instead of comparing to old systems under very different circumstances.

Some people are just addicted to Nintendoom, they can't seem to sleep at night unless they read/write a new "Nintendo is dying" piece every day. The doomsayers are going to look just as stupid in 2 years as the people who claimed the PS3 was doomed in 2007 and the 3DS was doomed in 2011 do now.


I think you're making the same mistake they are by equating the Wii U to the PS3 and 3DS. Just because those two systems found traction after a tough first year doesn't gauruntee the Wii U will.

The PS3 in the long term was always going to be OK, it always had all the third party support in the world and decent marketing/mindshare behind it. They just had to get the price down.

The 3DS comes from the lineage of the Game Boy/DS brands, Nintendo has always had success in the handheld arena for the last 15 years pretty much uninterrupted. Even without blue ocean games like Brain Training/Nintendogs, the DS eventually probably would've captured most of the Game Boy audience and sold 100 million anyway.

The Wii was lightning in a bottle, driven by Wii Sports/Fit. The Wii never really had a better library than the 360 and generally not the PS3 either (once the PS3 got going), but it brought in so many casuals and it was the "gotta have it!" device pre-iPhone/iPad era.

It looks to me like Nintendo is having a very hard time getting these casuals/soccer moms/fitness-centric women, etc. to come back and sequelizing Wii Sports/Fit isn't what gets that audience excited. They want a new "craze" to latch onto, and so far Nintendo has been usurped by things like Angry Birds, Minecraft, etc.

Historically no home hardware platform has ever been a huge success relying on a handful of franchises. Home consoles are not like handhelds, people buy more console games and expect a wide variety of content (1st, 2nd, and 3rd party). That's why I don't believe relying on Mario/Smash/Mario Kart to fix everything will work.

The idea that the Wii was only successful due to "soccer moms" who only played Wii Sports/Wii Fit is a myth.

If it were true, we wouldn't see 30m+ sales for Mario Kart, 20m+ for NSMBW, and a Wii attach rate of about 8 games.



It's important to note that piracy on dreamcast was as easy as burning an image and playing it. Every other system requires some modification, correct? Cuz if you can just put a burned WiiU game in and play without risk or knowledge then sure. I'll be the first to jump on the piracy wagon. Please lmk when that happens.



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Busted said:
To answer your final question, no, Wii U will win this gen and Dreamcast didn't win its.

I don't think the Wii U is going to win this generation. Unfortunately Nintendo marketed the system incorrectly and all overpriced the system. Having a small storage unit and a lack of quality exclusives didn't help either. What's worse is 3rd party developers who had promised games for it are now pulling out their support. Nintendo has to figure out how to get them back. People need to remember that Nintendo has always been about Nintendo (Sony too at times, but they seem to be changing now.). Nintendo has always said , "If 3rd Party want to make games for the system, all they had to do is pay for a dev kit and they can start immediately. Basically they left it up to 3rd party developers to make up their minds if they wanted to support their systems or not. Nintendo never physically went out and seeks 3rd party developers to make games for them, as they've always had LOTS of 3rd Party support for the NES, SNES, N64 and the Wii. Not, that is not the case and they are wondering what's going on. They will have to work hard to get developers back on board. Even EA (who has been a huge supporter of all Nintendo systems) are pulling their titles. No Madden on the Wii U? That's huge. So, it's doubtful Nintendo will win this generation.

That's a good and accurate overview but i suggest you to screencap this and save it, just in case  ;)



MikeRox said:
oniyide said:

N64? why stop there, they would have to explain why DS did so damn well as that thing was pirated to all hell and PSP to a lesser extent.


None of those required a torrent file and a CD-R for a pirate game?

But they at least PSP still required some level of work to to hack. DS was dead easy, ill give it that.