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AnthonyW86 on 04 May 2013
fillet said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I saw this article and i found the idea pretty interesting: http://www.explosion.com/30989/why-the-wii-u-is-destined-to-become-the-next-sega-dreamcast/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_57717

I think some important points where missed though. For one Nintendo's first party line-up is much stronger than Sega's was, and so is Nintendo's financial position.

Really? Virtua Fighter 3, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, House of The Dead, Soul Calibur (OK not first party but exclusive)...few others too

However the Dreamcast final blow was piracy

Debateable, there's not evidence to support that claim at all.

and recent rumours suggest that the Wii-U has already been hacked.

It hasn't been hacked, you will need a £100/$150 device to for the device that emulates the optical drive, that's not hacked, that's a middle man attack that it possible on any console.

Also Nintendo barely makes an profit on the Wii-U system itself if any, a situation very different to that of the Wii and other Nintendo home consoles.

Even that's not proven.

Wii-U even if it would fail would not force NIntendo out of the hardware market, but could we be looking back on the Wii-U 5 years from now as we do on the Dreamcast?

It could be even worse than the Dreamcast, or better we don't know. But the reason the Dreamcast failed is purely because potential buyers had lost confidence in Sega after abandoning the 32x and the Saturn and also that most games for the Dreamcast were arcade (mostly perfect because of hardware being based on a cutdown Naomi board) ports.

I don't see any similarity between the Dreamcast situation and the Wii-U situation, except they both sold like shit overall and even the Dreamcast did pretty good numbers to begin with so I'd dispute the article and your comments completely as there being no link whatsoever.

Interested if you have any counter points though?



Actually didn't Nintendo do kind of the same with the Wii in the end? I know alot of people that where kind of pissed of that their Wii has been collecting dust for quite some time now.

And we don't know if Nintendo makes money on the system or not, i think they do now with the more favourable exchange rate. Though the margin sure won't be nearly as big as with the Wii.

And i didn't count exclusives because those will vanish if a system loses developer support. Nintendo's own franchises however are a guarantee even if the system sells terrible.

I'l give you the hacking part though, not sure what the effect will be if any.

However the Wii-U being overshadowed be the attention for the competing systems and it being with it's back against the wall atleast for now are very comparable to what happened to the Dreamcast.



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fillet on 04 May 2013

Just read the actual article - didn't need to bother before as clearly moronic to compare the 2 without even needing to look into it.

The article is factually incorrect. The Wii-U didn't start out to great sales, the Dreamcast didn't get massive press/media interest, the Dreamcast didn't not sell well because of the PS2, The Sega Saturn was not a "cult success at best". It was an abysmal failure, though not as bad as the 32x of course.

That's just for starters.

The internet is great and everything but people getting a public voice like that article writer are one of the negatives.



MikeRox on 04 May 2013

It's nothing like the Dreamcast. I couldn't keep up with the sheer quantity and quality of must have Dreamcast releases. There's only been 1 post launch title for Wii U that's interested me and as it stands, there's not a right lot due for the rest of the year :(



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NinjaHanzo on 04 May 2013
Wright said:
 We'll see tons of IPs that won't be unmatched in the times that will come.

Pretty much as every console.

Every console has some classic game which still unmatched so far.

 

About the topic:

Not even Dreamcast, at this rate and seeing how many Wii U games are coming out... maybe a Jaguar or 3DO.


(I still can't understand how Nintendo is doing it this awful)




Otakumegane on 04 May 2013

We'll see.

The only console at danger of being discontinued at this point isn't WiiU though. Nintendo has the $$ to keep supporting even if it doesn't sell as well as they expect it to.

Part of the reason Dreamcast got discontinued is the fact that SEGA couldn't financially support the thing anymore. Nintendo isn't really in that situation.

 

Seriously though the fk they doing. They overpaniced when it came to 3DS, and ripped off all dev towards it. Now they're like "Oops maybe we didn't need to put THAT much resources towards it. Our mistake."



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Mr Puggsly on 04 May 2013
fillet said:
Just read the actual article - didn't need to bother before as clearly moronic to compare the 2 without even needing to look into it.

The article is factually incorrect. The Wii-U didn't start out to great sales, the Dreamcast didn't get massive press/media interest, the Dreamcast didn't not sell well because of the PS2, The Sega Saturn was not a "cult success at best". It was an abysmal failure, though not as bad as the 32x of course.

That's just for starters.

The internet is great and everything but people getting a public voice like that article writer are one of the negatives.

I think the Sega Saturn was actually profitable. It wasn't until the Dreamcast that Sega started losing money. So I wouldn't call the Saturn a failure per se.



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fillet on 04 May 2013
AnthonyW86 said:
fillet said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I saw this article and i found the idea pretty interesting: http://www.explosion.com/30989/why-the-wii-u-is-destined-to-become-the-next-sega-dreamcast/?utm_source=zergnet.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=zergnet_57717

I think some important points where missed though. For one Nintendo's first party line-up is much stronger than Sega's was, and so is Nintendo's financial position.

Really? Virtua Fighter 3, Crazy Taxi, Sonic Adventure, House of The Dead, Soul Calibur (OK not first party but exclusive)...few others too

However the Dreamcast final blow was piracy

Debateable, there's not evidence to support that claim at all.

and recent rumours suggest that the Wii-U has already been hacked.

It hasn't been hacked, you will need a £100/$150 device to for the device that emulates the optical drive, that's not hacked, that's a middle man attack that it possible on any console.

Also Nintendo barely makes an profit on the Wii-U system itself if any, a situation very different to that of the Wii and other Nintendo home consoles.

Even that's not proven.

Wii-U even if it would fail would not force NIntendo out of the hardware market, but could we be looking back on the Wii-U 5 years from now as we do on the Dreamcast?

It could be even worse than the Dreamcast, or better we don't know. But the reason the Dreamcast failed is purely because potential buyers had lost confidence in Sega after abandoning the 32x and the Saturn and also that most games for the Dreamcast were arcade (mostly perfect because of hardware being based on a cutdown Naomi board) ports.

I don't see any similarity between the Dreamcast situation and the Wii-U situation, except they both sold like shit overall and even the Dreamcast did pretty good numbers to begin with so I'd dispute the article and your comments completely as there being no link whatsoever.

Interested if you have any counter points though?



Actually didn't Nintendo do kind of the same with the Wii in the end? I know alot of people that where kind of pissed of that their Wii has been collecting dust for quite some time now.

And we don't know if Nintendo makes money on the system or not, i think they do now with the more favourable exchange rate. Though the margin sure won't be nearly as big as with the Wii.

And i didn't count exclusives because those will vanish if a system loses developer support. Nintendo's own franchises however are a guarantee even if the system sells terrible.

I'l give you the hacking part though, not sure what the effect will be if any.

However the Wii-U being overshadowed be the attention for the competing systems and it being with it's back against the wall atleast for now are very comparable to what happened to the Dreamcast.

Sorry, I just typed the above reply before reading this. No offense, it's good discussion anyway :)

I'd have to disagree here though, it's not really yet known if people are holding out for the release of the PS4/Nextbox, if they are which they could be that doesn't make it a comparison with the Dreamcast. If I remember correctly, it was more that people just didn't know that the Dreamcast existed, it wasn't supported properly in shops at least here in the UK. Certainly wouldn't find it's whole game catalogue on display anywhere, even at the beginning!(!). Even then it did sell very well initially, but the Wii-U didn't, certainly nowhere near expectations from the Wii - Wheras Sega came from rock bottom public confidence with the failed Saturn. By the time the PS2 released, the Dreamcast was almost dead.

All I'm really seeing is 2 consoles, both needing or needed medical attention. Nothing more.



Euphoria14 on 04 May 2013

Now you're just straight up trolling the Dreamcast.

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MikeRox on 04 May 2013

Sega's losses came from prior to the Dreamcast and the fact that their arcade business was hemorrhaging money due to the very quick demise of arcades, especially in the West.

This meant they didn't have the cash reserves to continue to support the Dreamcast, especially with the quantity of software they were putting out. The big kicker was Utopia Boot disc though, sales of software plummeted pretty much the very day that disc released.



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fillet on 04 May 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
fillet said:
Just read the actual article - didn't need to bother before as clearly moronic to compare the 2 without even needing to look into it.

The article is factually incorrect. The Wii-U didn't start out to great sales, the Dreamcast didn't get massive press/media interest, the Dreamcast didn't not sell well because of the PS2, The Sega Saturn was not a "cult success at best". It was an abysmal failure, though not as bad as the 32x of course.

That's just for starters.

The internet is great and everything but people getting a public voice like that article writer are one of the negatives.

I think the Sega Saturn was actually profitable. It wasn't until the Dreamcast that Sega started losing money. So I wouldn't call the Saturn a failure per se.

Wasn't aware of that. I know it did enjoy success for the first year or so and it only nose dived as the "Playstation" brand became a household one.

(by which time I jumped ship and cashed out to the PS1 as many did).