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twilight_link on 04 May 2013
pezus said:
Frank_kc said:
If you dont believe in god, then you are delusional, This universe could not have created it self. The way this universe operates precisely, could only be a creation of some one, and its god. If anything goes a bit of its track in this world, the whole world will break down. i.e. sun comes closer a bit or further a bit.

Human was not created by universe nor created by its own. Human is a great example of god's creation.

You're using circular logic.

Humans are the result of countless mutations in DNA, the creation of DNA, the creation of the elements etc. What came first isn't known, but to say that "God" is the only option just "because" isn't real logic and it won't convince anyone.


the problem with those scientific explanations are quite simple for most humans the scientific explanation of anything is quite incomprehensible, because most humans are unable to understand this, look majority of society is around IQ 100 (85 - 110) and this is horrible for even basic understanding of scientific methods, so for most science and their explanation is comparable to religious text. 

 

They accepted this but they never understand, they simply can't.



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Frank_kc on 04 May 2013
pezus said:
Frank_kc said:
If you dont believe in god, then you are delusional, This universe could not have created it self. The way this universe operates precisely, could only be a creation of some one, and its god. If anything goes a bit of its track in this world, the whole world will break down. i.e. sun comes closer a bit or further a bit.

Human was not created by universe nor created by its own. Human is a great example of god's creation.

You're using circular logic.

Humans are the result of countless mutations in DNA, the creation of DNA, the creation of the elements etc. What came first isn't known, but to say that "God" is the only option just "because" isn't real logic and it won't convince anyone.


So if this is the case, and since human has knowledge of the DNA map. Why a human could not create a human? If this is as easy as mutation of DNA, why cant we produce it in science labs?

 

I still believe that its the only option, unless you prove otherwise.



adriane23 on 04 May 2013
SxyxS said:
adriane23 said:
SxyxS said:
Rab said:

How could a God be created? What is it's beginning?


how could the universe be created?What is it's beginning?

 

it is easier and more plausible to believe that something almighty that exists beyond time,matter and space has created time matter and space than that the universe incl. all laws hat created itself out of nothing without reason,will  or substance to create even one atom.

Fixed your sentence for you. No need to thank me.

you fixed it wrong.

it really is more plausible(i'm agnostik therefore i'm not defending religions or gods)

but there is 0 explanation untill know and never will be to explain why something occured out of nothing but  something(we call it supernatural-it does not have to be god,just some kind of consciousness,intelligence,mind that exists beyond our dimension and natural law.

I've read several scientific theories and as soon as you reach the origin of creation the theories turn from science into ridicouluos shit with 0 proof.take the big bang,the string theory etc-they all fail far more than hindhuistic,bhuddhistic,indian,christian beliefs to explain the motivation and origin of beginning.

I fixed it correctly. Neither the religious beliefs of creation or the scientific beliefs of how our universe was formed are more plausible than the other at the moment. I would go further, but you inadvertently beat me to it.



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drkohler on 04 May 2013
Frank_kc said:
 If anything goes a bit of its track in this world, the whole world will break down. i.e. sun comes closer a bit or further a bit.

You do know that the moon is slowly receding from the earth? Would it completely surprise you that the earth is indeed slowly receding from the sun (and still here we are - nothing has "broken down")? Are you the least interested in science or is the only book you read the bible?



drkohler on 04 May 2013
Frank_kc said:

 If this is as easy as mutation of DNA, why cant we produce it in science labs

We can.. it's called artificial insemination...



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Frank_kc on 04 May 2013
pezus said:
MS10 said:
well I believe in God from my own life experiences.

and I like science.

but all most everything science tells us is theory.and they never stand the test of time and all most always get replace with a new theory.

the big bang,evolution,just theory's.

and I have a question I don't understand maybe some one can help me out.

I thought animal evolved to survive?why did monkeys evolved into humans but then stay monkeys also?

and how did dinosaurs get wiped out in one mass event but some how also evolved in to birds?

God is real ask him to show you.but take it serious.

A scientific theory is not the same as what people call a theory in everyday life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_fact_and_theory

Bold: Why do bacteria mutate or evolve into new bacteria but the old one still exists? Because not all of them mutate.

 

Dinosaur question: How does that reinforce your belief in God?

Mutation and evloution is just a theory which could not be proven until today. A good read if interested.

 

http://www.discoveringislam.org/evolution_vs_islam.htm

 



Salnax on 04 May 2013

This assumes that God, by definition, must have always existed. You're also forgetting things like humanity creating a God but that God actually existing, some laws creating other laws, and the sheer possibilities of option 3.

If you dumb things down enough and in the right directions, I'm sure you'll be able to find God though.



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Fifaguy360 on 04 May 2013
drkohler said:
Frank_kc said:

 If this is as easy as mutation of DNA, why cant we produce it in science labs

We can.. it's called artificial insemination...


lol good joke.



Leadified on 04 May 2013
MS10 said:
well I believe in God from my own life experiences.

and I like science.

but all most everything science tells us is theory.and they never stand the test of time and all most always get replace with a new theory.

the big bang,evolution,just theory's.

and I have a question I don't understand maybe some one can help me out.

I thought animal evolved to survive?why did monkeys evolved into humans but then stay monkeys also?

and how did dinosaurs get wiped out in one mass event but some how also evolved in to birds?

God is real ask him to show you.but take it serious.

We evolved from a common ancestor. That doesn't mean that a group of chimpanzees or other modern monkies suddenly became human. Also a scientific theory is not just some idea that we think it is right, it is a well-substantiated explanation for an aspect of the natural world. Which yes means that stuff like gravity and the sky being blue is "just a theory".



Ji99saw on 04 May 2013

God is obviously a 4th dimensional entity and is not bound by our laws of creation but is able to manipulate and control it. And considering he would be able to look in all 3 dimensional space at the same time would explain his omniscient ability.



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