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Necromunda said:
disolitude said:

Basically take everything Slimebeast has said above and mark it opposite for me.

When properly done, projector gaming and movie watching on a large screen is the best entertainment experience you can have in your house.

Projectors hide resolution loss much better than LCD's due to plush pixels and latest projectors have amazing contrast ratios and can be used in normal daylight without issues.

Below is a 92 inch 1080p projector setup I used to have, which i sadly had to get rid of when I moved. I am counting my days till I move again and set up a 100 inch projector setup in my entertainment room.


Ah very nice! I just dove into the projector market, nice to see people who enjoy the same enjoyment I do! I also second your notion, the entry level price for a quality setup isn't nearly as absurd as others have said in this thread either... I'd consider my setup entry level, although it's just about as good as an entry level setup you could hope for, and I shopped around quite abit and nabbed some fantastic deals, my setup is as follows:

Factory Refurbished Epson 8500UB - $1100

Factory Refurbished Denon AVR-1712 - $250

2 Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Bookshelf Speakers - $75 Each

1 Pioneer SP-C22 Center Channel Speaker - $100

1 Pioneer SW-8MK2 Subwoofer - $100

105" High Contrast Acoustically Transparent Screen - $200 (Self Built - TIP: Build your own screen, you can get SUPERB quality for great value!)

So for all the base components it ran me $1900, out of pocket I paid $1100 after selling my old Sony 40" HDTV and Sony HTIB. Being an enormous fan of movies and videogames I don't regret the purchase one bit! The projector quality is fantastic, superb black levels, great contrast, and extremely crisp picture quality, and as a bonus it has lens shift! And I didn't think twice on buying a refurb as it comes with a full 2 year warranty and a full 2 year bulb replacement straight from Epson. I figure by the time the warranty is up I'll be able to invest in a nice LED Projector as prices should have come down, then I won't have to worry about the cost of bulb replacements. And on top of that, the sound quality is awesome as well and the value is unbeatable! Highly recommend that line of Pioneer Speakers, Andrew Jones designed, you'd have to look around the $2000 pricerange for the next best set you can get, and I absolutely adore my Denon Receiver as well. IMO if you have the capability and space in your home, I feel like everyone should have this kind of setup, especially if you're passionate about your home entertainment.

That is a very nice setup...Id say its a solid midrange projector setup since 8500UB is quite excellent.

And your price includes surround sound setup which one would have to get if they were using a regular TV if they want an immersive experience. So essentially, 1300 dollars got you an awesome 105 inch screen projector setup with all bells and whistles that one can ask for. Thats less than a 70 inch Sharp LCD which has ghosting, slow pixel response time, fake 120 hz interpolation to hide the bad response time...



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I really don't see the advantage of the illumiroom.

This tech seems absolutely pointless to me because from a logical perspective it just doesn't make sense. Why have an expensive tv (with a great image) plus a projector (with crappy low detail visuals) surrounding it when you can just get a nice projector and have a huge beautiful projected image (and no tv)? If you want a wall of immersion why not just use a regular projector on a blank wall and/or hang projector screen over your stuff!

Even if you argue that the peripheral vision images on a huge wall really don't need to be as detailed, I could simulate that in software with a projector and an increasingly less detailed outside image (one with a much smoother transition than the abrupt high res image to tv frame to projected image we have here).

In fact, why not just do that now on every tv? Every game from now on can have really nice detailed images in the center of your tv screen (no matter what it's size) and a black boarder of less detailed bullshit around it. Let me tell you why, Because gamers wouldn't go for it. Why sacrifice any part of the visual field to crappy low res images. We want high res images on the entire screen.

By this logic a full wall projector set up is a way better solution. I'll say it again, this tech just doesn't add up imo!

I don't care how long you've been drinking Microsoft's cool aide, this space ship is made of tin foil and bubble gum. As usual, they can prob make it fly on magical marketing power alone, but it isn't going to fly very far.



disolitude said:
Necromunda said:
disolitude said:

Basically take everything Slimebeast has said above and mark it opposite for me.

When properly done, projector gaming and movie watching on a large screen is the best entertainment experience you can have in your house.

Projectors hide resolution loss much better than LCD's due to plush pixels and latest projectors have amazing contrast ratios and can be used in normal daylight without issues.

Below is a 92 inch 1080p projector setup I used to have, which i sadly had to get rid of when I moved. I am counting my days till I move again and set up a 100 inch projector setup in my entertainment room.


Ah very nice! I just dove into the projector market, nice to see people who enjoy the same enjoyment I do! I also second your notion, the entry level price for a quality setup isn't nearly as absurd as others have said in this thread either... I'd consider my setup entry level, although it's just about as good as an entry level setup you could hope for, and I shopped around quite abit and nabbed some fantastic deals, my setup is as follows:

Factory Refurbished Epson 8500UB - $1100

Factory Refurbished Denon AVR-1712 - $250

2 Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Bookshelf Speakers - $75 Each

1 Pioneer SP-C22 Center Channel Speaker - $100

1 Pioneer SW-8MK2 Subwoofer - $100

105" High Contrast Acoustically Transparent Screen - $200 (Self Built - TIP: Build your own screen, you can get SUPERB quality for great value!)

So for all the base components it ran me $1900, out of pocket I paid $1100 after selling my old Sony 40" HDTV and Sony HTIB. Being an enormous fan of movies and videogames I don't regret the purchase one bit! The projector quality is fantastic, superb black levels, great contrast, and extremely crisp picture quality, and as a bonus it has lens shift! And I didn't think twice on buying a refurb as it comes with a full 2 year warranty and a full 2 year bulb replacement straight from Epson. I figure by the time the warranty is up I'll be able to invest in a nice LED Projector as prices should have come down, then I won't have to worry about the cost of bulb replacements. And on top of that, the sound quality is awesome as well and the value is unbeatable! Highly recommend that line of Pioneer Speakers, Andrew Jones designed, you'd have to look around the $2000 pricerange for the next best set you can get, and I absolutely adore my Denon Receiver as well. IMO if you have the capability and space in your home, I feel like everyone should have this kind of setup, especially if you're passionate about your home entertainment.

That is a very nice setup...Id say its a solid midrange projector setup since 8500UB is quite excellent.

And your price includes surround sound setup which one would have to get if they were using a regular TV if they want an immersive experience. So essentially, 1300 dollars got you an awesome 105 inch screen projector setup with all bells and whistles that one can ask for. Thats less than a 70 inch Sharp LCD which has ghosting, slow pixel response time, fake 120 hz interpolation to hide the bad response time...

Yeah I suppose it is :P I forget that the 8500UB was a nearly $3000 projector 2-3 years ago. It's remarkably how well it's held it age too, mainly because the technology in Projectors hasn't changed too dramatically with the exception of Laser/LED hitting the market now. I'm absolutely in love with my setup, can't believe how perfect my screen turned out as well! 



disolitude said:
SvennoJ said:

I play games with a 1080p projector on a 92" screen. It's worth the price of admission, great experience but not cheap if you want a quality setup. I paid about $2400 for a 1100 lumen home theater projector to get the best movie experience with another $800 for a good screen, plus replacement bulbs cost $350 every 2000 hours.
Games like GT5 and Wipeout HD are so much more immersive on a big screen. And all racing games and anything else with precision steering becomes a lot easier.

A projector like this would be a brighness upgrade over your current projector and would save you the bulb cost over its lifetime since it has an estimate of 20K hours.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824116575

And this is only the first gen of these high end LED home theater projector. Within 2 years these should be $999

Nah, maybe in the future those will get better, for now that's a big downgrade in features and image quality.
http://www.projectorcentral.com/viewsonic_pro9000_home_theater_projector_review.htm
Brightness is not a problem anyway, I have it calibrated a bit above cinema brightness but still dark enough not to notice the 24p judder too much. Go too bright and 24p video turns into a slideshow on a big screen. (At least for me)

I'm waiting for a $2000 - $3000 range 4K home theater projector with HDMI 2.0
1 more bulb replacement should hopefully get me there.

Actually I just found this today: 4K 50" LCD for $1299, prices are starting to come down.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/12/seiki-50-inch-4k-1300/
50" is a bit small for 4K, I would need to sit between 5.4ft to 6.5ft away from that to get my preferred display sharpness.
Bit too large for a pc monitor. Still I'm tempted to try it out at that price...



its neat for a bit but after awhile it would annoy me and i would find it harder to focus on the game and end up turning it off. Regardless its a neat gimmick just not for me.



 

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alot of potential 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L2w-XqW7bF4#!



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bigCchris said:

alot of potential 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=L2w-XqW7bF4#!

That's pretty awesome stuff. I thought was just simple projection aimed at the TV, but its a lot more sophisticated than that.

Could definitely make gaming more immersive.



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looks neat, hope to see more off it



Necromunda said:
disolitude said:
Necromunda said:
disolitude said:

Basically take everything Slimebeast has said above and mark it opposite for me.

When properly done, projector gaming and movie watching on a large screen is the best entertainment experience you can have in your house.

Projectors hide resolution loss much better than LCD's due to plush pixels and latest projectors have amazing contrast ratios and can be used in normal daylight without issues.

Below is a 92 inch 1080p projector setup I used to have, which i sadly had to get rid of when I moved. I am counting my days till I move again and set up a 100 inch projector setup in my entertainment room.


Ah very nice! I just dove into the projector market, nice to see people who enjoy the same enjoyment I do! I also second your notion, the entry level price for a quality setup isn't nearly as absurd as others have said in this thread either... I'd consider my setup entry level, although it's just about as good as an entry level setup you could hope for, and I shopped around quite abit and nabbed some fantastic deals, my setup is as follows:

Factory Refurbished Epson 8500UB - $1100

Factory Refurbished Denon AVR-1712 - $250

2 Pioneer SP-BS22-LR Bookshelf Speakers - $75 Each

1 Pioneer SP-C22 Center Channel Speaker - $100

1 Pioneer SW-8MK2 Subwoofer - $100

105" High Contrast Acoustically Transparent Screen - $200 (Self Built - TIP: Build your own screen, you can get SUPERB quality for great value!)

That is a very nice setup...Id say its a solid midrange projector setup since 8500UB is quite excellent.

And your price includes surround sound setup which one would have to get if they were using a regular TV if they want an immersive experience. So essentially, 1300 dollars got you an awesome 105 inch screen projector setup with all bells and whistles that one can ask for. Thats less than a 70 inch Sharp LCD which has ghosting, slow pixel response time, fake 120 hz interpolation to hide the bad response time...

Yeah I suppose it is :P I forget that the 8500UB was a nearly $3000 projector 2-3 years ago. It's remarkably how well it's held it age too, mainly because the technology in Projectors hasn't changed too dramatically with the exception of Laser/LED hitting the market now. I'm absolutely in love with my setup, can't believe how perfect my screen turned out as well! 

You got some great deals there, very nice projector.

My first projector was a refurbished CRT tube monster for $2000. It needed heavy duty bolts to anchor it in the ceiling and each color tube needed to be recalibrated every month by fiddling with 16 pot meters for each. It was only supported 600 lines max. With LaserDisc you could see the 480 scan lines on the wall at 72" (no screen in the budget, just a bucket of white paint) and image distortion in high contrast scenes was a big eyesore with CRT, still loved it. Since crt had no lag it was perfectly compatible with 3D shutter glasses. I had my 3D fix with Descent 2 end of the 90's, no extra hardware needed, just a $35 set of Nvidia shutter glasses.

When I bought my first house I didn't have room or money for a projector, second house I decided to go all out. I sunk about $15K in a small home theater build from scratch (that was before the economy crashed)

PT-AE1000U still the same awesome color as 6 years ago.


Most of the money went into sound, Yamaha RXV-3800, 5x B&W FPM5 + B&W PV1 subwoofer



SvennoJ said:

I play games with a 1080p projector on a 92" screen. It's worth the price of admission, great experience but not cheap if you want a quality setup. I paid about $2400 for a 1100 lumen home theater projector to get the best movie experience with another $800 for a good screen, plus replacement bulbs cost $350 every 2000 hours.
Games like GT5 and Wipeout HD are so much more immersive on a big screen. And all racing games and anything else with precision steering becomes a lot easier.

720p games take a little while to get accustomed to blown up to that size. Here the value of a good projector comes in, as I found out that leaving the upscaling to the projector gives much better results then letting the 360 upscale to 1080p. Dark Souls in a dark room with a field of view filling experience, time flies.


About Illumiroom. Obviously completely incompatible with my projector setup, the screen is surrounded by dark flat panel speakers and the walls themselves dark red, lined with black shelves filled with movies and games. No coffee table either. It's imcompatible with Kinect too (you're blocking the projector beam) and Move (distracting bright light waving in front of you)


Anyway the living room is for motion gaming. There Illumiroom could add something to my 52" tv. However you need a lot more light output projecting at 140" on walls and furniture. To keep it affordable you'll be stuck to powerful DLP projectors which I personally can't stand. (gives me weird flashes and that annoying rainbow effect)
I think it would be more distracting then fun in the long run. You're better of with a slightly better projector (no need to go all high end like I did) and enjoy a big screen experience with all games. Especially now 1080p gaming will become the standard rather then the exception.

Yes! DLP's are Awful - I stopped going to see many movies because they use some much terrible DLP.  Especially for 3D. (I love good 3D, but DLP is just cheap bad projection and should not be allowed.)

I have a 52" TV can can't imagine gaming on anything smaller.  I was hoping they use some kind of LED for the projection, and it could be cool.  Plus the way you main vision is on the TV, and just your peripheral would be taking in the illumi room could be awesome - as you brain would 'fill in' many things, and it would seem much better.

But if they make it with DLP, then yea, it would be ruined and I would be sad.  Very sad, and a little bit angry.   



 

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