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Forums - General Discussion - ESPN journalist Chris Broussard on NBA's Jason Collins: Homosexuality is a sin and living in sin isn't Christian

mrstickball said:
naruball said:
mrstickball said:
pezus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
crissindahouse said:
ps3-sales! said:
Why are you condemning him for his opinion? That's pretty ignorant. Christians don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle; you act as if that's news?

i know enough christians who do

There is a difference between being accepting and loving people (which is what Jesus taught and what Christians should strive for) and agreeing with it.

If you say being a homosexual is a sin, then you're not accepting and loving and therefore it could be argued that you aren't a good Christian. I would also argue that accepting and loving someone is the same as "agreeing" with him. Agreeing doesn't mean you yourself have to do the same things homosexuals do. It just means that you understand that not everyone prefers the same gender as you do.

Do you even understand what a Christian is?

A Christian takes certain stands against certain acts and lifestyles. You can accept and love someone, but still know what they do is sin. If you cannot understand that concept, then I don't think you understand Christianity at all.

There's a huge difference between considering something a sin and expressing your opinion in a way that affects other people. As a Christian I strongly disapprove of people who cheat on their partners and of people who desire other people's wives/husbands/gfs/bfs, but I don't go around calling them sinners, though they do sin. If they were to ask me, I'd tell them that yes, it is a sin, but it's none of my business or place to tell them what to do. 

Also, by telling gay people that you don't like their lifestyle is more similar to telling black people that you don't approve of their "blackness" than telling cheaters that they sin when they're cheating, as being gay is not a choice.


Being gay in and of itself is not a sin. But the act is. It's been referenced throughout Christendom.

There are many things that people are inclined to do through genetics, yes. But the whole idea of Christianity is to grow and overcome things that are inherent in the fleshly nature.

Take pedophilia. Some may say that its a natural affinity. Does that make it right? Should it be something that people should strive to overcome, or simply say "I can't help it, I must let it rule my life"? No, Christianity is affront to that.

Sexuality is wrapped up in a lot of different lifestyles, and people can be born many different ways. That is why Paul, when discussing sexuality, said that he wishes more people would be as he was - celebate - but knew that such a choice was very difficult, thus why he perscribed heterosexual marriage as an alternative.

 

I'm aware of the bolded. I mentioned that in another comment. 

You can't really compare homosexuality and pedophilia. I'll refrain from explaining why, as it is argument which has been discussed to death. 

Again, the point is not whether homosexual relationships are a sin. That is a fact accodting to the bible. It's stated beyond doubt imo (though some disagree with the interpretation; I still think it's beyond doubt). My argument is that no one (ok only a few people) make an effort to condemn self-abuse, tattoos, premarital sex, etc. Have you seen any people with signs outside frat houses warning them of their sins? Because I'm aware that certain Christians go to funerals of gay men and cause unnecessary emotional pain to the deceased's family. Why don't they go to people's funerals who were divorced, or had premarital sex? Why the obsession with homosexuality?

Also, I'd really appreciate if you were to read my comment on obese girls. Would you date one if the bible told you so (I know it doesn't, but please entertain the possibility for a second). Would you fight your urges for a girl you're are attracted to and either stay alone for the rest of your life or marry a woman you're not attracted to and have a miserable (for both you and her, probably even the kids) marriage?

 



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He's only telling the truth. That and many many other reasons is why I disagree with religions.



I like to turn to ESPN for religious and lifestyle advice. I was joking with coworkers last night about no one wanting to post up against Jason Collins down low now.



Why the hell is believing an action is wrong called bigotry? If you still love and accept the person, but disagree with a 'lifestyle' or action, that's not bigotry... it's just respectful disagreement. I have family members who I disagree with on issues, or who do things I would consider 'wrong' and choose not to do myself, but that's their choice and not mine, so I love and accept them anyway. Nothing about that is bigotry. This is the way that most Christians live.

Granted, announcing your personal views on these matters on a sports show is pretty dumb, but he's not automatically a bigot just because he disagrees with a lifestyle (as long as he doesn't turn his disagreement into rejection or 'looking down' on others).



yum123 said:
MoiseHnkel said:
yum123 said:
why the fuck do all these weirdos think god wrote the bible. if he is real he doesnt have a fricken pen. It was clearly written by other people and so many millions just follow peoples opinions from centuries ago

Are you mad ! you know nothing about the holy trinity ??? god - jesus and the holy spirit

 

the holy spirit who take control of the Disciple to write the bible it was literaly a event and absolutly not some dudes on Drugs.

sounds like your the one on drugs if you believe that.


i don't know if  I should feel sad about the fact that it was meant to be a ridicule statement.  your not getting it  :( .... Come on if a priest tell you god took controle of him and he made me a write a list of person who should be burn for witchcraft will you belive it was the holy spirit ?  and go blindly kill those girl ?

Come on now, you have to be serious. It was obviously drugs ....



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Pretty meaningless statement to me, since the VAST majority of Americans perform un-Christian actions. In fact, I would wager that 99% (if not more) of Americans "live in sin", so his statement told us nothing that wasn't already blatantly obvious.

I was more surprised by him discussing religion on a sports show honestly.



timmah said:
Why the hell is believing an action is wrong called bigotry? If you still love and accept the person, but disagree with a 'lifestyle' or action, that's not bigotry... it's just respectful disagreement. I have family members who I disagree with on issues, or who do things I would consider 'wrong' and choose not to do myself, but that's their choice and not mine, so I love and accept them anyway. Nothing about that is bigotry. This is the way that most Christians live.

Granted, announcing your personal views on these matters on a sports show is pretty dumb, but he's not automatically a bigot just because he disagrees with a lifestyle (as long as he doesn't turn his disagreement into rejection or 'looking down' on others).


ive been called a bigot by more than a few individuals for stating that i will continue supporting chickfila because they have good food. Also, if i were to stop supporting companies for their beliefs than id need to stop work or driving a car (and so would the same people who called me a bigot). So, im not worried about the gay supporters. then there are people like my advisor who is gay and thinks those people are stupid. and is smart enough to realize nothing about that is bigotry.



I often wonder why the American media seems to place a much larger emphasis on homosexuality over the huge amount of other sins and "unChristian acts" that are much more prevalent in American culture and media.



pezus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
crissindahouse said:
ps3-sales! said:
Why are you condemning him for his opinion? That's pretty ignorant. Christians don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle; you act as if that's news?

i know enough christians who do

There is a difference between being accepting and loving people (which is what Jesus taught and what Christians should strive for) and agreeing with it.

If you say being a homosexual is a sin, then you're not accepting and loving and therefore it could be argued that you aren't a good Christian. I would also argue that accepting and loving someone is the same as "agreeing" with him. Agreeing doesn't mean you yourself have to do the same things homosexuals do. It just means that you understand that not everyone prefers the same gender as you do.

 

Your statemet here is as wrong as it can be. When John Paul II met with Ali Agca after he shot him, he showed him that he accepts him, he loves him and he forgave him his sin. According to your wicked logic, by saying Ali Agca commited a sin, the Pope wouldn't be able to do that - it shows you clearly don't understand the first thing about sin in Christianity. The basis of Christianity is that everyone commits sins and Jesus died for our sins. Christians should do their uttmost not to sin and when they do, they should feel truely and genuinely sorry about it, ask God for forgiveness and do everything not to repeat that. If you accept a gay lifestyle, live that way without remorse, you are not doing what Christians should do and can't call yourself a good Christian. That's all, simple. The most important thing here is not just commiting a sin (cause this is a normal thing), but what you do with it, cause this is what defines a good Christian.

Also, the Pope surely didn't agree with Ali Agca, he didn't tell him to go out and shoot more people and maybe shoot him one or two times again, so no - you can't argue accepting and loving is the same as agreeing with someone.

 

@OP To me your statement is more alarming and showing intolerance than his. Suggesting that such people shouldn't be in high places in the West? Unacceptable.



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