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ESPN journalist Chris Broussard on NBA's Jason Collins: Homosexuality is a sin and living in sin isn't Christian

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I often wonder why the American media seems to place a much larger emphasis on homosexuality over the huge amount of other sins and "unChristian acts" that are much more prevalent in American culture and media.



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pezus said:
Max King of the Wild said:
crissindahouse said:
ps3-sales! said:
Why are you condemning him for his opinion? That's pretty ignorant. Christians don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle; you act as if that's news?

i know enough christians who do

There is a difference between being accepting and loving people (which is what Jesus taught and what Christians should strive for) and agreeing with it.

If you say being a homosexual is a sin, then you're not accepting and loving and therefore it could be argued that you aren't a good Christian. I would also argue that accepting and loving someone is the same as "agreeing" with him. Agreeing doesn't mean you yourself have to do the same things homosexuals do. It just means that you understand that not everyone prefers the same gender as you do.

 

Your statemet here is as wrong as it can be. When John Paul II met with Ali Agca after he shot him, he showed him that he accepts him, he loves him and he forgave him his sin. According to your wicked logic, by saying Ali Agca commited a sin, the Pope wouldn't be able to do that - it shows you clearly don't understand the first thing about sin in Christianity. The basis of Christianity is that everyone commits sins and Jesus died for our sins. Christians should do their uttmost not to sin and when they do, they should feel truely and genuinely sorry about it, ask God for forgiveness and do everything not to repeat that. If you accept a gay lifestyle, live that way without remorse, you are not doing what Christians should do and can't call yourself a good Christian. That's all, simple. The most important thing here is not just commiting a sin (cause this is a normal thing), but what you do with it, cause this is what defines a good Christian.

Also, the Pope surely didn't agree with Ali Agca, he didn't tell him to go out and shoot more people and maybe shoot him one or two times again, so no - you can't argue accepting and loving is the same as agreeing with someone.

 

@OP To me your statement is more alarming and showing intolerance than his. Suggesting that such people shouldn't be in high places in the West? Unacceptable.



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Cueil said:
prayformojo said:
ps3-sales! said:
Why are you condemning him for his opinion? That's pretty ignorant. Christians don't agree with the homosexual lifestyle; you act as if that's news?


Opinions are fine, but when it becomes a politcal CAMPAIGN? That's when I get mad. Alot of these Christian groups want acutal laws to prevent equal rights because of their belief system. To me, that's when the line is drawn and the fighting begins.


THIS makes me want to punch people in the face... They have equal rights... what you're talking about is special rights for a group of poeple who choose to live an alternate life style... and don't give me "it's not a choice" I make choices every day contrary to what I am.  Rights should be made to make sure they are not discriminated against and laws to assure that they are not pursicuted to protect them from violence. They should not get special rights to marry their partner.

 

As for the sin part... it is a SIN. This isn't debatable anymore then a LIE is a sin. Punching someone in the face without just cause is also a sin. In The Bible (yes people it is a book please as least capitolize it) the only sin that is unforgivable is blasphemy. All sin is equal in God's eyes... meaning it's all equally horrible and he can't look on us dirty pethetic sinners who bang our girlfriends and boyfriend or lie to our bosses when we're late or can't make it because we are sick(hungover).

 

Love the sinner, hate the sin. I fully support those who come out even if I don't agree with the life style they choose to live. That's on them and I am not responsible for the actions of other adults.

Equal rights means, you know, that we ALL have....equal....rights? It's not realy hard to understand. Whatever rights you have, the next human being should have them as well. If they don't? Kinda not equal......



I actually find this pretty offensive. I am not a christian but to be one, all you have to do is believe in jesus christ and that he is your saviour. plain and simple. THAT makes someone a christian. so to then say he isnt one just because this intolerant piece of shit doesnt like him...is despicable. jesus didnt tell his filthy rectum here to go around judging people and act like he is their god.



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MrBubbles said:
I actually find this pretty offensive. I am not a christian but to be one, all you have to do is believe in jesus christ and that he is your saviour. plain and simple. THAT makes someone a christian. so to then say he isnt one just because this intolerant piece of shit doesnt like him...is despicable. jesus didnt tell his filthy rectum here to go around judging people and act like he is their god.


wow.... he didnt say he didnt like him first of all. and he is not being intolerant. 



Max King of the Wild said:
MrBubbles said:
I actually find this pretty offensive. I am not a christian but to be one, all you have to do is believe in jesus christ and that he is your saviour. plain and simple. THAT makes someone a christian. so to then say he isnt one just because this intolerant piece of shit doesnt like him...is despicable. jesus didnt tell his filthy rectum here to go around judging people and act like he is their god.


wow.... he didnt say he didnt like him first of all. and he is not being intolerant. 


telling a christian they arent christian because they disagree with them and then condemning them for how they live is pretty intolerant.  as well as pretty indicative of their personal opinion on them.

 

and finally,



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MrBubbles said:
Max King of the Wild said:
MrBubbles said:
I actually find this pretty offensive. I am not a christian but to be one, all you have to do is believe in jesus christ and that he is your saviour. plain and simple. THAT makes someone a christian. so to then say he isnt one just because this intolerant piece of shit doesnt like him...is despicable. jesus didnt tell his filthy rectum here to go around judging people and act like he is their god.


wow.... he didnt say he didnt like him first of all. and he is not being intolerant. 


telling a christian they arent christian because they disagree with them and then condemning them for how they live is pretty intolerant.  as well as pretty indicative of their personal opinion on them.

 

and finally,


he doesn't condfem them in any way. he actually says he is fine with them as long as they dont harp on him. he seems to be very understanding, at least from this qoute:

 

""“In talking to some people around the league, there’s a lot of Christians in the NBA, and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don’t want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That’s what L.Z. was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle, but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names….

“Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that’s a sin. If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian.”""

I cant find anything wrong in that. He also does not say they aren't christian, merely that they are sinning, along with anyone who has sex out of marriage.

 

EDIT: I guess in the video he does he would not charactize them as a christian. But he certaintly seems reasonable in what he says an not that he is gay bashing in any way.



thranx said:
MrBubbles said:
Max King of the Wild said:
MrBubbles said:
I actually find this pretty offensive. I am not a christian but to be one, all you have to do is believe in jesus christ and that he is your saviour. plain and simple. THAT makes someone a christian. so to then say he isnt one just because this intolerant piece of shit doesnt like him...is despicable. jesus didnt tell his filthy rectum here to go around judging people and act like he is their god.


wow.... he didnt say he didnt like him first of all. and he is not being intolerant. 


telling a christian they arent christian because they disagree with them and then condemning them for how they live is pretty intolerant.  as well as pretty indicative of their personal opinion on them.

 

and finally,


he doesn't condfem them in any way. he actually says he is fine with them as long as they dont harp on him. he seems to be very understanding, at least from this qoute:

 

""“In talking to some people around the league, there’s a lot of Christians in the NBA, and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don’t want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That’s what L.Z. was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle, but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names….

“Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that’s a sin. If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian.”""

I cant find anything wrong in that. He also does not say they aren't christian, merely that they are sinning, along with anyone who has sex out of marriage.

"I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian"  aka they arent a christian.

 



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MrBubbles said:
thranx said:
MrBubbles said:
Max King of the Wild said:
MrBubbles said:
I actually find this pretty offensive. I am not a christian but to be one, all you have to do is believe in jesus christ and that he is your saviour. plain and simple. THAT makes someone a christian. so to then say he isnt one just because this intolerant piece of shit doesnt like him...is despicable. jesus didnt tell his filthy rectum here to go around judging people and act like he is their god.


wow.... he didnt say he didnt like him first of all. and he is not being intolerant. 


telling a christian they arent christian because they disagree with them and then condemning them for how they live is pretty intolerant.  as well as pretty indicative of their personal opinion on them.

 

and finally,


he doesn't condfem them in any way. he actually says he is fine with them as long as they dont harp on him. he seems to be very understanding, at least from this qoute:

 

""“In talking to some people around the league, there’s a lot of Christians in the NBA, and just because they disagree with that lifestyle, they don’t want to be called bigoted and intolerant and things like that. That’s what L.Z. was getting at. Just like I may tolerate someone whose lifestyle I disagree with, he can tolerate my beliefs. He disagrees with my beliefs and my lifestyle, but true tolerance and acceptance is being able to handle that as mature adults and not criticize each other and call each other names….

“Personally, I don’t believe that you can live an openly homosexual lifestyle or an openly premarital sex between heterosexuals, if you’re openly living that type of lifestyle, then the Bible says you know them by their fruits, it says that’s a sin. If you’re openly living in unrepentant sin, whatever it may be, not just homosexuality, adultery, fornication, premarital sex between heterosexuals, whatever it may be, I believe that’s walking in open rebellion to God and to Jesus Christ. I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian.”""

I cant find anything wrong in that. He also does not say they aren't christian, merely that they are sinning, along with anyone who has sex out of marriage.

"I would not characterize that person as a Christian because I do not think the Bible would characterize them as a Christian"  aka they arent a christian.

 


I did edit my post. but all he is saying is that they are not christian in his eyes. Which people should be entitled to their opinions. he doesnt say that they should be persecuted, or that they shouldn't be in church. He doesn't agree with their life style, whats wrong with that?