All I know is that the Wii-U isn't catching on like the Wii did. Sure there is a loyal fanbase who might be waiting for Zelda but who knows how long that will take? Miyamota allready said that it's going to take a while and when the next gen hits, the core gamers might not even care anymore.

The biggest problem with the Wii-U is that it's focussing more on the core market again, who care a lot more about big profile 3rd party games like COD. This will be a problem when those next gen games (most of them probably running on the Unreal 4 engine) can't be ported to the Wii-U. They might still have a shot though, but only if they focus purely on the casual market and do a serious price drop. 

Personally I don't see the Wii-U really competing in the next gen market, but more with the ps3 and the $100 Xbox lite that is also coming out. Big profile core games like: GTA, COD, MGS, etc. will probably have a 5% marketshare on the Wii-U, if they even come out at all.

Ok, I'll stop trolling because you are making some good points, my initial statement was in reference to what you initially said, everything since then has been very reasonable.  The biggest thing that caught my attention initially was that you said "optimistically" the wiiU would be able to continue to sell 30k units a week for the next few years, that's a joke considering they have no high quality titles out yet, and when they do have high quality titles out those numbers will likely go to 100k+ per week(on average) for many years.  Will the wiiU outsell the ps4, well that depends on what sony and Nintendo do over the next few years, but I think the wiiU has a decent shot.  

But everything else you said is right, MS could easily blow it with these rumors, idk if Sony will get 80% marketshare though, Maybe 45% Sony, 35% Nintendo and 20% Xbox, but it's impossible to say at this point, I could easily see Nintendo taking 45% of the market share instead of Sony, if they do something similar as they did with the 3ds, do a huge price cut, do another ambassador program and then launch a bunch of high quality titles around the same time as the ps4 and 720 launch.

I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.

Sony exclusives must sell well enough.  They keep getting sequels and Sony keeps buying up the studios.

Also what sold PS3?  It's more expensive than Xbox and gets worse 3rd party games.  It was exclusives, free online, or both.  I think they'll keep basic online free and the laundry list of exclusives will be there again (none of which will sell as well as Halo or Gears because Sony spaces out their customers' gaming dollar and doesn't drum up any 1 game too much).  The biggest area by far that Sony needs to fix is advertising.  I told 3 separate people about Sly 4 who didn't know it existed and bought it when I told them about it.  Convinced a few people to buy Heavy Rain without much effort since they hadn't known of its existence.  It's not that the advertising even has to be that good they just need to let people know that games exist especially when it's a new IP or some game that hasn't been around for 7 years.  Luckily they seem to be handling LoU well and they have the new ad agency so their weakest area may be improved.

All I know is that the Wii-U isn't catching on like the Wii did. Sure there is a loyal fanbase who might be waiting for Zelda but who knows how long that will take? Miyamota allready said that it's going to take a while and when the next gen hits, the core gamers might not even care anymore.

The biggest problem with the Wii-U is that it's focussing more on the core market again, who care a lot more about big profile 3rd party games like COD. This will be a problem when those next gen games (most of them probably running on the Unreal 4 engine) can't be ported to the Wii-U. They might still have a shot though, but only if they focus purely on the casual market and do a serious price drop. 

Personally I don't see the Wii-U really competing in the next gen market, but more with the ps3 and the $100 Xbox lite that is also coming out. Big profile core games like: GTA, COD, MGS, etc. will probably have a 5% marketshare on the Wii-U, if they even come out at all.

you overestimate the use of Unreal Engine 4 and even if it was really used, the games are totaly portable to wii u. erase that hater thought that wii u can't get multiplats along ps4/nextbox. and stop acting as if success is a given for sony, look at what happened to the ps3. both sony and microsoft will have to swet to get custumers, with an oponnent that's cheaper and has the multiplats as well as more and better exclusives.

I bet someone will claim the multiplats aren't a given for nintendo. well, it's not a given for the others either. the games will probably be cross gen at first wich means only exclusives will be a reason to buy ps4/nextbox. if they don't build a significant install base the thirds will rethink the support, nintendo isn't the only one that has to worry.

I don't think you fully understand why the wiiU is failing.  It's failing because Nintendoland isn't as great of a hit as wii-sports.   It's failing because pikmin 3 still has yet to be released.  It's failing because raymon legends was delayed, it's failing because the titles that both casuals and hardcore gamers want, aren't on the wiiU.  But eventually, those titles will come out, and when they do the wiiU will dominate the 720/ps4.  Personally, I think the ps3/360 will outsell the 720/ps4 for the next few years, the graphical leap isn't large enough to where 3rd party devs won't be developing their games on the last gen consoles.  And honestly, it may be 2-3 years before the 720 and ps4 really take off, and sony may not be able to last that long(due to their current financial problems).  The wiiU will be fine since the wii isn't supported, But the biggest sellers for the ps4 are multiplats that will likely be on the ps3, Sony exclusives don't sell very well.  The 720 will be in a little better position because they do have halo, but honestly, I'm worried about next-gen.