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Hynad on 26 April 2013
J_Allard said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

I can think of tons of games where I would want a longer record time than 15 minutes. A max of 15 minutes is cool if you just want to upload some cool highlight. A DVR type functionality would be infinitely better for me because the games I would use it for would run longer than 15 minutes.


More than 15 minutes is nice and all that. But considering the amount of users that are going to upload videos, maybe it's not realistic server-wise. It's all good if those videos remain local on your console's HDD or portable media, but I don't think it's viable or realistic from a server point of view. 



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J_Allard on 26 April 2013
Hynad said:
J_Allard said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

I can think of tons of games where I would want a longer record time than 15 minutes. A max of 15 minutes is cool if you just want to upload some cool highlight. A DVR type functionality would be infinitely better for me because the games I would use it for would run longer than 15 minutes.


More than 15 minutes is nice and all that. But considering the amount of users that are going to upload videos, maybe it's not realistic server-wise. It's all good if those videos remain local on your console's HDD or portable media, but I don't think it's viable or realistic from a server point of view. 

I highly doubt either MS or Sony would be offering upload services for free. Or at worst it's like when Halo debuted with it and you can upload such and such but then get better upload options by going "pro" or whatever.



walsufnir on 26 April 2013
J_Allard said:
Hynad said:
J_Allard said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

I can think of tons of games where I would want a longer record time than 15 minutes. A max of 15 minutes is cool if you just want to upload some cool highlight. A DVR type functionality would be infinitely better for me because the games I would use it for would run longer than 15 minutes.


More than 15 minutes is nice and all that. But considering the amount of users that are going to upload videos, maybe it's not realistic server-wise. It's all good if those videos remain local on your console's HDD or portable media, but I don't think it's viable or realistic from a server point of view.

I highly doubt either MS or Sony would be offering upload services for free. Or at worst it's like when Halo debuted with it and you can upload such and such but then get better upload options by going "pro" or whatever.

What about just using Youtube? Microsoft could also use Azure, of course.



D-Minaj225 on 26 April 2013

wow that DVR feature sounds very intriguing, I always wanted to record my gameplay vids on to youtube but couldn't be bothered on buying one



 

VGKing on 26 April 2013
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

 

What if you want to do "walkthrough"-videos with commentary on Youtube? There are already a lot of them and many are longer than 15 minutes. To me NextBox will offer the same as PS4 does at least if we are talking about uploading videos. I think you can decide how much you will upload to youtube on NextBox...

Well PS4 has UP TO 15-minutes of recording. You can trim and edit that before you upload. If the NextBox allows for hours of recording then it would be perfect for walkthroughs. I guess if you're into that then its the console for you. This can't come cheap though, hours of recording will take a toll on system resources.(Ever used Fraps?)  LIke I said before, pros and cons. They both have them.


I am not into it but generally both deliver the same. But I doubt it will up many system ressources. Fraps records most probably a totally different way than Sony and MS will do - they will have special hardware to do so. The only ressource I see under heavy load is the hdd. It doesn't matter if you record 15 minutes or hours of video, though. The "load" will be the same, you just need more disk-space.

Wouldn't some video compression/decrompression come into play with these features? PS4 has a dedicated chip to do this. The Xbox 720 would need something like that as well.



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Machiavellian on 26 April 2013
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

 

What if you want to do "walkthrough"-videos with commentary on Youtube? There are already a lot of them and many are longer than 15 minutes. To me NextBox will offer the same as PS4 does at least if we are talking about uploading videos. I think you can decide how much you will upload to youtube on NextBox...

Well PS4 has UP TO 15-minutes of recording. You can trim and edit that before you upload. If the NextBox allows for hours of recording then it would be perfect for walkthroughs. I guess if you're into that then its the console for you. This can't come cheap though, hours of recording will take a toll on system resources.(Ever used Fraps?)  LIke I said before, pros and cons. They both have them.


It comes cheap if the nextbox has a chip to perform the action which if you go by the VGleaks, it does.  



VGKing on 26 April 2013
Machiavellian said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

 

What if you want to do "walkthrough"-videos with commentary on Youtube? There are already a lot of them and many are longer than 15 minutes. To me NextBox will offer the same as PS4 does at least if we are talking about uploading videos. I think you can decide how much you will upload to youtube on NextBox...

Well PS4 has UP TO 15-minutes of recording. You can trim and edit that before you upload. If the NextBox allows for hours of recording then it would be perfect for walkthroughs. I guess if you're into that then its the console for you. This can't come cheap though, hours of recording will take a toll on system resources.(Ever used Fraps?)  LIke I said before, pros and cons. They both have them.


It comes cheap if the nextbox has a chip to perform the action which if you go by the VGleaks, it does.  

Can you post the link? I haven't seen any detailed descriptions on this DVR feature or how it works.



MoHasanie on 26 April 2013

These rumors sounds much better than before.
As I said with the PS4, I'm not really interested in the social features of the console.



    

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Jaywood2010 on 26 April 2013
VGKing said:

Can you post the link? I haven't seen any detailed descriptions on this DVR feature or how it works.

Nobody will know how it works until it gets announced.  These are just rumors and we dont even know if these are true.  if you want to know how a regular DVR works here is some information. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_video_recorder




       

Machiavellian on 26 April 2013
VGKing said:
Machiavellian said:
VGKing said:
walsufnir said:
VGKing said:
J_Allard said:
Oh man, a DVR type recording setup would be so far superior to "share" or "highlights" imho. I want to record entire Guardians of Middle Earth games, entire Madden games, entire CoD matches, entire Motorstorm races, not just a few moments of each.

I don't see how it would be superior. There are positives and negatives to both. The big negative about DVR is that it isn't free. DVRs usually come with a monthly cost. Will that factor into XBL Gold subs? Who knows. The positive on having DVR functions is that it would be able to record more than just games like your cable TV shows which would be a huge plus.

The PS4 feature allows for 15-minute recording sessions doesn't it? That's enough for a whole COD match. The feature is supposed to be instant sharing so I'd say 15-minutes strike the right balance. Who wants to wait for hours of video to upload? You want to quickly upload your video and then continue playing. Do you ever see Youtube videos longer than that? Most are under 10.

 

What if you want to do "walkthrough"-videos with commentary on Youtube? There are already a lot of them and many are longer than 15 minutes. To me NextBox will offer the same as PS4 does at least if we are talking about uploading videos. I think you can decide how much you will upload to youtube on NextBox...

Well PS4 has UP TO 15-minutes of recording. You can trim and edit that before you upload. If the NextBox allows for hours of recording then it would be perfect for walkthroughs. I guess if you're into that then its the console for you. This can't come cheap though, hours of recording will take a toll on system resources.(Ever used Fraps?)  LIke I said before, pros and cons. They both have them.


It comes cheap if the nextbox has a chip to perform the action which if you go by the VGleaks, it does.  

Can you post the link? I haven't seen any detailed descriptions on this DVR feature or how it works.


Here is a link to the digital foundry article concerning the leaked durango specs.  Within the specs is a pic of a video codex chip and HDMI in.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/df-hardware-next-gen-xbox-specs-leak

Here is the blub about the speculation on what that could mean

The leak also addresses the three mysterious hardware accelerator modules we mentioned last week in our Orbis piece. We find one of them covering audio (including echo cancellation tech for Kinect), while another appears to be an accelerated hardware video encoder - this is interesting in that we also find that the new information suggests an HDMIinput as part of the design, not just an output. In theory then, users could record their TV shows direct from set-top boxes, or import their camcorder footage directly onto Durango. It's a remarkable inclusion, for sure, suggesting that Microsoft is indeed investing heavily in the media credentials of the device. The final hardware module is the most mysterious, named simply "Data Move Engines" for which there is no additional data supplied.

 

I believe by the time we know everything about the nextbox and PS4, people will see that both devices will be doing a lot of the same things and only their services and first party devs will seperate the two.