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Forums - General Discussion - What is the answer to radical Islam? This is NOT an anti Islam thread

Roma said:
walsufnir said:
Tell muslims to get rid of the thought that religion is of any meaning in every-day life. The religios books are made from people which intended to get political power and to lead uneducated people. Times have changed in the western countries (mostly, at least) but in some countries religion dictates everything and blocks education and emancipation.

you seem pretty uneducated for an educated person

based on your post you know nothing about Islam and what it has done to the world in education


based on my post? what? the influence islam once had on science has long gone and does not affect the situation nowadays. in my opinion religion must not influence politics in any way and your belief must not disturb other people. you can believe in god, a giant turtle or the smurfs, i don't care. but if people get fanatic and make religion their most important thing in their life i don't want to live with them. and to me it seems that muslims (of course not *every* muslim) let islam dominate their every day life which is disturbing to me.



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They don't need education as much as we need to be educated about Muslims.
I don't know enough about them to answer the question. Seems they are not unified either. Do they have 2 major groups or more? What happened in their history to make them hate each other and now spilling over to the world.
Do they want prosperity?

reading the posts here, I guess it's everybody's fault - Jews, Americans, Christianity, Muslims,. Pointing fingers won't fix the problem.



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walsufnir said:
Roma said:
walsufnir said:
Tell muslims to get rid of the thought that religion is of any meaning in every-day life. The religios books are made from people which intended to get political power and to lead uneducated people. Times have changed in the western countries (mostly, at least) but in some countries religion dictates everything and blocks education and emancipation.

you seem pretty uneducated for an educated person

based on your post you know nothing about Islam and what it has done to the world in education


based on my post? what? the influence islam once had on science has long gone and does not affect the situation nowadays. in my opinion religion must not influence politics in any way and your belief must not disturb other people. you can believe in god, a giant turtle or the smurfs, i don't care. but if people get fanatic and make religion their most important thing in their life i don't want to live with them. and to me it seems that muslims (of course not *every* muslim) let islam dominate their every day life which is disturbing to me.

well don't expect to be left alone if you keep bothering the people you don't want to disturb you. simple logic really and education will not stop people from sticking to Islam or attack you lol

Islam has many solutions for the problems we face today but the west will never embrace it as that would mean equality and a fair share of resources. the western way is to attack and steal resources at any cost even killing thousands of innocent people in the process but the only thing they care about is when they get attacked and they ask "how do we solve this problem". you either have to kill all Muslims in the world or leave their countries if you're going to steal and kill people 



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PullusPardus said:
Education.

This so much!!



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It's nothing to do with us bombing them (though we should pull out of course).

It's the West being blamed for the problems of society in the Middle East: the paradox of them being oil-rich but having inequality, lack of education, lack of basic freedoms, oppression of minorities and women.

That said I don't think these particular bombs were inspired by radical Islam. They didn't act like martyrs, and they didn't leave a public message that they'd done it like other groups do. I think it was more inspired by previous American bombings like Oklahoma.



richardhutnik said:

People around the suspect where shocked it happened.  They didn't see it coming, according to news reports.  I seriously suggest people wait before passing judgement on this.  

O RLY?

In response to a reporter's question, Tsarnaeva said that the older brother (who is now deceased) had recently become a devout Muslim, which she characterized as him starting to pray five times a day about two years ago. But it should be noted that the aunt doesn't believe her nephew had become an extremist: "He has a wife in Boston and from a Christian family, so you can't tie it to religion," she said.

His uncle has said similar things. I'm not saying people who knew him expected him to turn terrorist. Like his aunt said, she doesn't believe he did it. I'm saying they noted a sudden increasing devotion to his religion. That is textbook jihadist behavior.

Not jumping to conclusions is one thing. Pretending to be blind in the face of a mountain of evidence is another.



Soleron said:
That said I don't think these particular bombs were inspired by radical Islam. They didn't act like martyrs, and they didn't leave a public message that they'd done it like other groups do. I think it was more inspired by previous American bombings like Oklahoma.

Methodologically, you mean? Because Timothy McVeigh attacked a government building because he hated the government. These guys attacked a marathon because... they're paleo dieters who think that endurance running goes against human evolution?

But nothing else rules out a jihadist motive. If they're a couple of unaffiliated lone wolves, then of course they don't have a propaganda wing to send out messages. They're also very Americanized, and American jihadists - John Allen Muhammad, Carlos Bledsoe, and other lesser known ones - tend to behave more like spree killers. Turning into splodey-dopes is more of an old country thing.



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