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Otakumegane said:
osed125 said:
_crazy_man_ said:
Vinniegambini said:

 

Here let me join you.

Make it 3






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archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
archbrix said:
Max King of the Wild said:
archbrix said:

My, my... your lack of reading comprehension is alarming. I sincerely hope you're doing this on purpose just to boost your post count.

If you think I lack reading comprehension then I honestly dont think you know what you are saying. Or at least, what you say means

And therein lies your problem.  But hey, I suppose we're all wrong huh?  Oh, and paranoid...

No, only slowmo is paranoid which is comments have shown that I have provided.

Also: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=158991&page=1# Look at the picture People don't call soft drinks Coke except for the south like I said.

You actually created a thread on this topic based on our conversation? That's rich.

But you didn't just say people from the south, did you? You said, "hicks from Texas", whereas I said "many people"... and there are several states on that map that are red, no?

But you know what? I'll even concede to your single point on what people call soft drinks in the US. One point for Max!

26,059,203

6,403,353

4,574,836

2,978,512

2,937,979

9,815,210

4,802,740

I'll give you one guess is the population of Texas.

Can we now expect a thread from you on southern population too?

LOL



thismeintiel said:

This thread is quite hilarious. PS3 fans are rightly pointing out that Sony has turned around the PS3, not only in a financial sense (i.e. making a profit on each sold since ~2009-2010), but in an image sense, as well. Both will help them when in launching the PS4. MS fans, however, continue with the "but the losses" argument they started ever since the PS3 started outselling the 360 yearly, completely denying a comeback.

Here's the question, though. When the PS3 finishes a close 2nd, or possibly 1st, will history remember total consoles sold? Or will it focus on Sony's financials for the span of ~3 years, when the gaming division was losing money? Here's a hint, it won't be the financials. I know it sucks to admit it for some, but it is true.

No one is disputing that Sony has turned the PS3 around.  The point is that the cost of doing so almost tanked the company.  History will probably show the PS3 as a very expensive product for Sony in which they lost a lot of marketshare to their competitiors, and put the company in the red.  I love my PS3 as a product but to say that its going down as a success story for Sony is reaching.  The only thing it did was claw back to being competitive.

I do not know what type of history books you read but if the only thing you or the historian ever care about is numbers without knowing the price then whats the point.  If Sony tanks next gen how do you think history will remember this gen.  If Sony wants to take 5 billion lost to gain some fanboy badge of honor I am sure Nintendo and MS will be more than happy to let them do it.  



coolguy said:
The frist 3 years sony lost money on the ps3 now they are makeing it back.


4 years of losses (FY ending March 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) 1 year of breaking even (the current one, FY ending March 2013), 1 year of profit (FY ending March 2011) and 1 uncertain (FY ending March 2012).
The one year when Sony included everything in one giant division is not certain.

I was actually very optimistic when I said the PS3 did not make any losses in this year (in my OP), because that was when the thailand floods AND the PSN outage happened.

A lot of people try to make it look, like I am making these things up, but I am not. This is what Sony reported.


Some people may argue that the current one is profitable and the Vita is ruining the division and not the PS3. But on the other hand Sony stated that the vita will not be sold at a loss. ( http://www.gamesthirst.com/2011/06/08/ps-vita-will-be-profitable-on-day-one/)



Imagine not having GamePass on your console...

Machiavellian said:
thismeintiel said:

This thread is quite hilarious. PS3 fans are rightly pointing out that Sony has turned around the PS3, not only in a financial sense (i.e. making a profit on each sold since ~2009-2010), but in an image sense, as well. Both will help them when in launching the PS4. MS fans, however, continue with the "but the losses" argument they started ever since the PS3 started outselling the 360 yearly, completely denying a comeback.

Here's the question, though. When the PS3 finishes a close 2nd, or possibly 1st, will history remember total consoles sold? Or will it focus on Sony's financials for the span of ~3 years, when the gaming division was losing money? Here's a hint, it won't be the financials. I know it sucks to admit it for some, but it is true.

No one is disputing that Sony has turned the PS3 around.  The point is that the cost of doing so almost tanked the company.  History will probably show the PS3 as a very expensive product for Sony in which they lost a lot of marketshare to their competitiors, and put the company in the red.  I love my PS3 as a product but to say that its going down as a success story for Sony is reaching.  The only thing it did was claw back to being competitive.

I do not know what type of history books you read but if the only thing you or the historian ever care about is numbers without knowing the price then whats the point.  If Sony tanks next gen how do you think history will remember this gen.  If Sony wants to take 5 billion lost to gain some fanboy badge of honor I am sure Nintendo and MS will be more than happy to let them do it.  

Sony's PS3 losses were mostly incurred before they turned the console around. If anything, Sony cut the manufacturing costs rapidly (including cutting some fairly important features) so they could reduce the price of the console faster which in turn helped them make the PS3 a competitive product whilst stopping the haemoraging of money. The way I see it, the following happened:

1. PS3 released at a ridiculous price with the hope it would do well and help them install the Blu-Ray format for the sake of royalties.

2. First 2 years of PS3 lost the company huge amounts of money but won the format war. No idea if this will pay off in the long run as we don't know how much Sony is making from Blu-Ray royalties.

3. Realising the poor market share and the heavy losses weren't a viable business model, they cut features and reduced manufacturing costs. They cut the cost of the console to increase market share and increased the cost of first party games to retailers to increase revenue and reduce losses. This worked somewhat, as the increased marketshare meant more software was purchased which increased their revenue and lead to a few profitable quarters.

4. Reduced manufacturing costs and remodels/slims reduce losses further. Sony is now profiting on hardware as well as software and has a competitive product that is now selling better than the competition. Sony will likely never make the money back (directly) from stage 1 & 2 and we can't be sure if the Blu-Ray royalties will make the whole endeavor worth it.

So most of the losses occured early on. The turnaround of the PS3 probably saved Sony from further losses and kept them relevant in a market that many in 2007 would have said they should leave. It was their initial design and business model which has cost them so dearly.



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BluGamer23 said:
adriane23 said:
BluGamer23 said:
adriane23 said:

Your comprehension skills leave much to be desired. I never said anything related to Nintendo being a financial disaster.


neither did I say you said that.. FAIL! .. but nice try! =)

LOL your rant that ended with, "...is that good enough for you?" says otherwise, so don't try and cover your ass now that you're embarassed. You thought I was being unreasonable about the losses Nintendo has taken from the WiiU and 3DS even though they've only been on the market a short while. If you had read my post correctly, you would have understood that I was pointing out how silly it would be to do that, just like it's foolish that people are doing the same thing with the PS3 and 360 in this thread when neither console has stopped selling.

Just accept that you misread what I wrote.

again.. lol ! nice try.. writing more words doesnt make you right.. haha jus accept you failed! =) .. and you talk about comprehension fail.. lol!

 

.. i should take it easy on you though.. i can feel your pain cause you cant even explain yourself properly.. accept it.. PS3 is a financial failure..  it really is!.. truth hurts it.. really does. =)

Saying "nice try" and "fail" over and over again doesn't hide the fact that you didn't understand my original comment. You're just making yourself look bad by getting emotional. LOL you're getting so upset that your sentence structure is getting worse and worse.



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slowmo said:
You added Sony fans to one of those quotes you used as "evidence", which you seemed to infer from the topic you took that from. Second the behaviour of Sony fans was particularly appalling earlier this year which is why 10+ got banned in one thread, thus making my posts on them more apparent recently. Would you like me to start quoting your post history of attacking Microsoft fans in your typically rude and ignorant manner. Please don't bother quoting me in future, I find you particularly odious to talk to.

It was less than 10, and I believe a comparable number of Microsoft fans were also banned in that thread, which is odd considering they're supposed to be the minority.

Unless we're talking about a different thread here.



DirtyP2002 said:
coolguy said:
The frist 3 years sony lost money on the ps3 now they are makeing it back.


4 years of losses (FY ending March 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) 1 year of breaking even (the current one, FY ending March 2013), 1 year of profit (FY ending March 2011) and 1 uncertain (FY ending March 2012).
The one year when Sony included everything in one giant division is not certain.

I was actually very optimistic when I said the PS3 did not make any losses in this year (in my OP), because that was when the thailand floods AND the PSN outage happened.

A lot of people try to make it look, like I am making these things up, but I am not. This is what Sony reported.


Some people may argue that the current one is profitable and the Vita is ruining the division and not the PS3. But on the other hand Sony stated that the vita will not be sold at a loss. ( http://www.gamesthirst.com/2011/06/08/ps-vita-will-be-profitable-on-day-one/)

Economics: You have no sense for the word which makes your thread all the more terribly inaccurate



thismeintiel said:
Viltsu300 said:
DigitalDevilSummoner said:
DirtyP2002 said:

So the comeback of the PS3 never really happened.

Yeah, it never happened -past tense-, it is happening.

If the PS3 never made a comeback, it wouldn't be here.

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When PS3 did the comeback?

My guess is that it's going to take an 8M deficit between it and the 360 and turn it into a 10M-20M advantage.


PS3 has already sold more than Xbox360



the2real4mafol said:
shakarak said:
How much is Sony losing on every Vita though? That's the question I want to know now.

According to this article they profit on each Vita sold by a decent amount.

~http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/how-much-does-it-cost-sony-to-build-the-vita/


That was before the Price cut as that article is a year and a half old.