Otakumegane said:
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Otakumegane said:
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archbrix said:
Can we now expect a thread from you on southern population too? |
LOL
thismeintiel said: This thread is quite hilarious. PS3 fans are rightly pointing out that Sony has turned around the PS3, not only in a financial sense (i.e. making a profit on each sold since ~2009-2010), but in an image sense, as well. Both will help them when in launching the PS4. MS fans, however, continue with the "but the losses" argument they started ever since the PS3 started outselling the 360 yearly, completely denying a comeback. |
No one is disputing that Sony has turned the PS3 around. The point is that the cost of doing so almost tanked the company. History will probably show the PS3 as a very expensive product for Sony in which they lost a lot of marketshare to their competitiors, and put the company in the red. I love my PS3 as a product but to say that its going down as a success story for Sony is reaching. The only thing it did was claw back to being competitive.
I do not know what type of history books you read but if the only thing you or the historian ever care about is numbers without knowing the price then whats the point. If Sony tanks next gen how do you think history will remember this gen. If Sony wants to take 5 billion lost to gain some fanboy badge of honor I am sure Nintendo and MS will be more than happy to let them do it.
coolguy said: The frist 3 years sony lost money on the ps3 now they are makeing it back. |
4 years of losses (FY ending March 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010) 1 year of breaking even (the current one, FY ending March 2013), 1 year of profit (FY ending March 2011) and 1 uncertain (FY ending March 2012).
The one year when Sony included everything in one giant division is not certain.
I was actually very optimistic when I said the PS3 did not make any losses in this year (in my OP), because that was when the thailand floods AND the PSN outage happened.
A lot of people try to make it look, like I am making these things up, but I am not. This is what Sony reported.
Some people may argue that the current one is profitable and the Vita is ruining the division and not the PS3. But on the other hand Sony stated that the vita will not be sold at a loss. ( http://www.gamesthirst.com/2011/06/08/ps-vita-will-be-profitable-on-day-one/)
Imagine not having GamePass on your console...
Machiavellian said:
No one is disputing that Sony has turned the PS3 around. The point is that the cost of doing so almost tanked the company. History will probably show the PS3 as a very expensive product for Sony in which they lost a lot of marketshare to their competitiors, and put the company in the red. I love my PS3 as a product but to say that its going down as a success story for Sony is reaching. The only thing it did was claw back to being competitive. I do not know what type of history books you read but if the only thing you or the historian ever care about is numbers without knowing the price then whats the point. If Sony tanks next gen how do you think history will remember this gen. If Sony wants to take 5 billion lost to gain some fanboy badge of honor I am sure Nintendo and MS will be more than happy to let them do it. |
Sony's PS3 losses were mostly incurred before they turned the console around. If anything, Sony cut the manufacturing costs rapidly (including cutting some fairly important features) so they could reduce the price of the console faster which in turn helped them make the PS3 a competitive product whilst stopping the haemoraging of money. The way I see it, the following happened:
1. PS3 released at a ridiculous price with the hope it would do well and help them install the Blu-Ray format for the sake of royalties.
2. First 2 years of PS3 lost the company huge amounts of money but won the format war. No idea if this will pay off in the long run as we don't know how much Sony is making from Blu-Ray royalties.
3. Realising the poor market share and the heavy losses weren't a viable business model, they cut features and reduced manufacturing costs. They cut the cost of the console to increase market share and increased the cost of first party games to retailers to increase revenue and reduce losses. This worked somewhat, as the increased marketshare meant more software was purchased which increased their revenue and lead to a few profitable quarters.
4. Reduced manufacturing costs and remodels/slims reduce losses further. Sony is now profiting on hardware as well as software and has a competitive product that is now selling better than the competition. Sony will likely never make the money back (directly) from stage 1 & 2 and we can't be sure if the Blu-Ray royalties will make the whole endeavor worth it.
So most of the losses occured early on. The turnaround of the PS3 probably saved Sony from further losses and kept them relevant in a market that many in 2007 would have said they should leave. It was their initial design and business model which has cost them so dearly.
BluGamer23 said:
again.. lol ! nice try.. writing more words doesnt make you right.. haha jus accept you failed! =) .. and you talk about comprehension fail.. lol!
.. i should take it easy on you though.. i can feel your pain cause you cant even explain yourself properly.. accept it.. PS3 is a financial failure.. it really is!.. truth hurts it.. really does. =) |
Saying "nice try" and "fail" over and over again doesn't hide the fact that you didn't understand my original comment. You're just making yourself look bad by getting emotional. LOL you're getting so upset that your sentence structure is getting worse and worse.
I am the Playstation Avenger.
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slowmo said: You added Sony fans to one of those quotes you used as "evidence", which you seemed to infer from the topic you took that from. Second the behaviour of Sony fans was particularly appalling earlier this year which is why 10+ got banned in one thread, thus making my posts on them more apparent recently. Would you like me to start quoting your post history of attacking Microsoft fans in your typically rude and ignorant manner. Please don't bother quoting me in future, I find you particularly odious to talk to. |
It was less than 10, and I believe a comparable number of Microsoft fans were also banned in that thread, which is odd considering they're supposed to be the minority.
Unless we're talking about a different thread here.
DirtyP2002 said:
I was actually very optimistic when I said the PS3 did not make any losses in this year (in my OP), because that was when the thailand floods AND the PSN outage happened. A lot of people try to make it look, like I am making these things up, but I am not. This is what Sony reported.
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Economics: You have no sense for the word which makes your thread all the more terribly inaccurate
thismeintiel said:
My guess is that it's going to take an 8M deficit between it and the 360 and turn it into a 10M-20M advantage. |
PS3 has already sold more than Xbox360
the2real4mafol said:
According to this article they profit on each Vita sold by a decent amount. ~http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/how-much-does-it-cost-sony-to-build-the-vita/ |
That was before the Price cut as that article is a year and a half old.