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bucky1965 on 19 April 2013
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Their (Sony's) 10 year plan was a failure.

atleast say it after the 10 years are over


Sonys next console release wasn't supposed to happen until 10 years  after the launch of the PS3 (Not 5 years).. So they cuold recover the losses of the R+D, production, etc.


i dont think you realize what the 10 year life cycle is

Do you know what Sonys 10  year plan (is) was? Releasing the PS4 now,  was not part of it.

yes it was, or they wouldnt have started work on the ps4 5 years ago. the life of the ps3 doesnt depends on when the ps4 launches. its really that simple


www.1up.com/news/kaz-hirai-ps3-lifespan-10

Good find. but that quote happened in 06 before microsofts success put a kink into the system, they were forced to adapt. but your point is taken sony initial plan was to release the ps4 much later, it was one of the arguements to justify their huge price point. Microsoft changed the rules to them game. 

Um no. The PS3 10 year lifespan means the PS3 will be supported for 10 years. That's even what Kaz said. It has nothing to do with when the next console launches.

Look at PS1 and PS2 as proof.

The market is completly  different than the PS1 and PS2 days  IOS and android are in the mix now. How many devs will still be making games for PS3.? Even the price point of the  PS4 changes things. (took this from qoute i made to ethonmaz, added ps1). The market has changed since then.


It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means. The last PS1 game to be released was in 2004, perfectly 10 years after the Japanese launch. The last PS2 game came out only six months ago, 12 years after the launch. That is what the 10 year cycle means. Sony even in your link it states the 10 year cycle was proven with the PS1 yet the PS2 came out 6 years later so why would it be different with the PS3?

It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Very true. Now you can game on anything that has a screen. It doesn't have to be a dedicated gaming device anymore, like in the PS1and PS2 days.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means

No the 10 year plan is for the PS3 only.



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VGKing on 19 April 2013
Bruxel said:
not suprised sony lost so much money with the ps3. The formula of having a high end console that costs lets say 800 to manufacture and 600 to retail is digging a huge hole for them to dive into, ps3 sold at a major loss.. The wii was weak but proftible is why i worry ps4 is going to make the same mistake.

It's not. If the console is sold at a loss it won't be anywhere near $200. I'd say PS4 will sell anywhere from $50 loss to $50 profit. It all depends on the price point which I expect to be betwee $400-$500. Then there's stuff like Playstation Plus and Gaikai which will only add to profits. 



Max King of the Wild on 19 April 2013
bucky1965 said:
JoeTheBro said:
bucky1965 said:
JoeTheBro said:
bigCchris said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
Their (Sony's) 10 year plan was a failure.

atleast say it after the 10 years are over


Sonys next console release wasn't supposed to happen until 10 years  after the launch of the PS3 (Not 5 years).. So they cuold recover the losses of the R+D, production, etc.


i dont think you realize what the 10 year life cycle is

Do you know what Sonys 10  year plan (is) was? Releasing the PS4 now,  was not part of it.

yes it was, or they wouldnt have started work on the ps4 5 years ago. the life of the ps3 doesnt depends on when the ps4 launches. its really that simple


www.1up.com/news/kaz-hirai-ps3-lifespan-10

Good find. but that quote happened in 06 before microsofts success put a kink into the system, they were forced to adapt. but your point is taken sony initial plan was to release the ps4 much later, it was one of the arguements to justify their huge price point. Microsoft changed the rules to them game. 

Um no. The PS3 10 year lifespan means the PS3 will be supported for 10 years. That's even what Kaz said. It has nothing to do with when the next console launches.

Look at PS1 and PS2 as proof.

The market is completly  different than the PS1 and PS2 days  IOS and android are in the mix now. How many devs will still be making games for PS3.? Even the price point of the  PS4 changes things. (took this from qoute i made to ethonmaz, added ps1). The market has changed since then.


It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means. The last PS1 game to be released was in 2004, perfectly 10 years after the Japanese launch. The last PS2 game came out only six months ago, 12 years after the launch. That is what the 10 year cycle means. Sony even in your link it states the 10 year cycle was proven with the PS1 yet the PS2 came out 6 years later so why would it be different with the PS3?

It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Very true. Now you can game on anything that has a screen. It doesn't have to be a dedicated gaming device anymore, like in the PS1and PS2 days.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means

No the 10 year plan is for the PS3 only.

Dude, you are the wrong one. Now accept that and give up. The only ones who said Ps3 would be on the market for 10 years before Ps4 launched was IGN. Not Kaz



JoeTheBro on 19 April 2013
bucky1965 said:
JoeTheBro said:
bucky1965 said:
JoeTheBro said:
bigCchris said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
Their (Sony's) 10 year plan was a failure.

atleast say it after the 10 years are over


Sonys next console release wasn't supposed to happen until 10 years  after the launch of the PS3 (Not 5 years).. So they cuold recover the losses of the R+D, production, etc.


i dont think you realize what the 10 year life cycle is

Do you know what Sonys 10  year plan (is) was? Releasing the PS4 now,  was not part of it.

yes it was, or they wouldnt have started work on the ps4 5 years ago. the life of the ps3 doesnt depends on when the ps4 launches. its really that simple


www.1up.com/news/kaz-hirai-ps3-lifespan-10

Good find. but that quote happened in 06 before microsofts success put a kink into the system, they were forced to adapt. but your point is taken sony initial plan was to release the ps4 much later, it was one of the arguements to justify their huge price point. Microsoft changed the rules to them game. 

Um no. The PS3 10 year lifespan means the PS3 will be supported for 10 years. That's even what Kaz said. It has nothing to do with when the next console launches.

Look at PS1 and PS2 as proof.

The market is completly  different than the PS1 and PS2 days  IOS and android are in the mix now. How many devs will still be making games for PS3.? Even the price point of the  PS4 changes things. (took this from qoute i made to ethonmaz, added ps1). The market has changed since then.


It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means. The last PS1 game to be released was in 2004, perfectly 10 years after the Japanese launch. The last PS2 game came out only six months ago, 12 years after the launch. That is what the 10 year cycle means. Sony even in your link it states the 10 year cycle was proven with the PS1 yet the PS2 came out 6 years later so why would it be different with the PS3?

It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Very true. Now you can game on anything that has a screen. It doesn't have to be a dedicated gaming device anymore, like in the PS1and PS2 days.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means

No the 10 year plan is for the PS3 only.

Kaz clearly stated "we look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation." It's your word verse Kaz's so I'm going to agree with him, k?



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VGKing on 19 April 2013
bucky1965 said:

It's different and yet it's the longest generation in history.

Very true. Now you can game on anything that has a screen. It doesn't have to be a dedicated gaming device anymore, like in the PS1and PS2 days.

Also you're confused in what the 10 year cycle means

No the 10 year plan is for the PS3 only.

You're wrong. Give it up.

The 10-year plan actually started with the PS2. This means they planned on selling PS2s for at least 10 years. The console would be on the market for at least 10 years. You could buy it in a store for at least 10 years. Sony followed through with this promise since the console actually survived about 13 years.

Again, like everyone has told you, PS3 was meant to have a 10-year life cycle as well. This has nothing to do with when PS4 will launch, as Sony have said themselves that PS4 will not replace the PS3. This is especially true considering PS4 can't play PS3 games.

The time between PS1 and PS2 launches is about 5 years. The length between PS2 and PS3 launches is about 6 years. The length between PS3 and PS4 launches is going to be about 7 years. Console cycles have slowly been getting longer each generation. So no, PS4 is not being rushed. This is all going according to plan. Sony even started PS4 R&D back in 2008.



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bigCchris on 19 April 2013
Max King of the Wild said:
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what do you mean? i think he was trying to assure customers not to worry about something new and better coming so soon after they purchased the ps3, my  whole point is that after reading the quote, for me at least, it appears that in 06 sony plans where to release the ps4 much later, as i said early the adapted to the changing market, as a good company should, and decided to released this year, around the 7 year mark, i think it was a direct response to microsoft and rumors of their launch plans

No, he was drawing a parrallel to the stragety they are taking with the Ps3 to the strageties they took with the Ps1 and Ps2. Both of which lasted longer than 10 years AND their predeccesor launched before 10 years.

huh? wasnt the ps2 released in 2000 and the ps3 in 2006, a six year difference, now in 2006 he is quoted as saying"I think that we are offering a very good value for the consumers. We look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation. Therefore, the PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that's going to be with you again for 10 years. We're not going to ask the consumers to suddenly buy another PlayStation console in five years time, and basically have their investment go by the wayside. So for all those reasons, I think at $599 we're offering a very good value to the consumers"  he specifically says not to expect another console in five years time, Why not if the transistion from ps2 to ps3 was only six years isnt five reasonable? Parrallels?  As i said before i believe when it came to the ps3, in 06 they believed it would last alot longer before the need to release a new console, But since we're just repeating ourselfs ill end it with this Agreed to Disagree.



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reviniente on 19 April 2013

The point thismeintiel, is that while the X360 is helping to make MS's E&D division solvent, the PS3 created heavy losses for SON¥. Consider now marketshare for PlayStation after the release of the PS3. Hardly a comeback.



Max King of the Wild on 19 April 2013
bigCchris said:
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bigCchris said:
JoeTheBro said:
bigCchris said:
bucky1965 said:
bananaking21 said:
bucky1965 said:
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what do you mean? i think he was trying to assure customers not to worry about something new and better coming so soon after they purchased the ps3, my  whole point is that after reading the quote, for me at least, it appears that in 06 sony plans where to release the ps4 much later, as i said early the adapted to the changing market, as a good company should, and decided to released this year, around the 7 year mark, i think it was a direct response to microsoft and rumors of their launch plans

No, he was drawing a parrallel to the stragety they are taking with the Ps3 to the strageties they took with the Ps1 and Ps2. Both of which lasted longer than 10 years AND their predeccesor launched before 10 years.

huh? wasnt the ps2 released in 2000 and the ps3 in 2006, a six year difference, now in 2006 he is quoted as saying"I think that we are offering a very good value for the consumers. We look at our products having a 10-year life cycle, which we've proven with the PlayStation. Therefore, the PlayStation 3 is going to be a console that's going to be with you again for 10 years. We're not going to ask the consumers to suddenly buy another PlayStation console in five years time, and basically have their investment go by the wayside. So for all those reasons, I think at $599 we're offering a very good value to the consumers"  he specifically says not to expect another console in five years time, Why not if the transistion from ps2 to ps3 was only six years isnt five reasonable? Parrallels?  As i said before i believe when it came to the ps3, in 06 they believed it would last alot longer before the need to release a new console, But since we're just repeating ourselfs ill end it with this Agreed to Disagree.

"Our PRODUCTS" meaning the Ps1/2... and like you said the Ps3 launched 6 years after the Ps2... "We look at [ps1 and ps2] having a 10-year cycle, which we have proven." ...So how the hell can their products have a 10 year cycle if they are being launched 5 and 6 years after their predecessors? The obvious answer is they are talking about the entire time its on the shelf and not until the next product launches

And I won't agree to disagree because you are flat out completely wrong. Just accept it



NiKKoM on 19 April 2013

can't you kids make a new thread about "what does the 10 year plan mean?" and make that thread shitty? it's like poop smeared over this entire thread...



 

Face the future.. Gamecenter ID: nikkom_nl (oh no he didn't!!) 

Farsala on 19 April 2013

My gosh stupid conversation needs it's own thread...


Edit: Got beat by a minute dang.