Sorry I didn't mean Never ever, I just meant that it's extremely rare. And judging by your 8 crimes (with examples dating back to over ten years ago), the reports agree.

The case for anti-gun control activists is frankly the same argument the gun control people push. Anti-control people say people are less likely to commit crimes when they know that anyone could possibly be carrying a gun. The pro-gun control people say people are less likely to commit crimes knowing they will be caught.

You can post instances where people having guns stopped crimes, but the other side can do the same. The argument about which stance is better is a dead-end. They both work.

But yes, my only problem with your point is about the media. There is no conspiratorial media bias, because the media will report on anything, they tend not to fudge details because they know they will be called out on it by others' journalistic integrity.

And yes, that's my only problem with your argument, because I know that people having guns helps prevent crime. The question is whether it's better than gun control. A person with a gun can potentially stop a crime, but what if they don't? Where do the police turn for information if there aren't checks put in? How do the police mop up? I agree that people should be allowed to carry weapons to defend themselves, I just don't see the problem with requiring background checks, and paper trails stemming from the second hand market.

It isn't just as rare though.  It's a lot more common according to most research.

The only research in which it isn't pretty common is when you make the standard of proof "someone has to fire at you or stab you before you draw a weapon."

That's why you don't hear about it... because it's pretty common.

Afterall you never hear about peoples homes getting broken into either... I wouldn't say that home robberies are particularly rare.

You can claim either side is right on specific instnaces... but the facts and numbers seem to lie pretty heavily on the "Anti-gun control" side.

Which is why a lot of people who wouldn't even want to own a gun tend to end up on that side....

and why popularity of gun control measures only exist right after a tragedy via fear... and then collapse back down to low levels right afterwords.  (47% now, with 53% disliking how Obama has went about gun control... will likely be even lower in a month or so.)

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous counter arguments I have ever witnessed. I'm going to print this off to show my coworkers because I don't think they'll believe that anyone would say something like that.