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Branko2166 said:
walsufnir said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.

Exactly. Sony wanted to see Blu-rays all over the market, just like DVD, and I am sure this won't ever happen again. Yes, picture quality of Blu-ray by now is better than streaming but this will eventually change. Optical discs don't have a future - not in gaming, not in music, not in movies.

That mantra about optical media not having a future has been repeated many times over the last several years. I can definitely see digital only be an option for some markets like Korea or Japan where high speed internet is the standard for virtually the whole population. However for the majority of world internet users digital only for everything is a pipe dream at best. Granted it doesn't help that the world seems to be entering an economic downturn which will slow down adoption as well as the financing of more high speed internet infrastructure by governments and companies.

There is also the factor of many people preferring to own a physical copy over which they can exercise control and if they so choose can trade or exchange.




We'll see ;) Everyone tries to establish a streaming platform by now. Sony started with Qriocity which has been renamed AFAIR, MS also tries to establish streaming via Xbox. Then there is netflix which eats a lot of the whole traffic generated in US. BBC in UK, Lovefilm, Maxdome and others in Germany. In my opinion it will all end in monthly fees and watching-flatrates.

There will always be people who prefer physical copies and I don't want to block optical media but it just isn't needed anymore (for me). I have a good internet connection, most people I know also. We will see how it turns out but I make a bet: Bluray will be the last optical disc format designed for mass market.



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walsufnir said:
Branko2166 said:
walsufnir said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.

Exactly. Sony wanted to see Blu-rays all over the market, just like DVD, and I am sure this won't ever happen again. Yes, picture quality of Blu-ray by now is better than streaming but this will eventually change. Optical discs don't have a future - not in gaming, not in music, not in movies.

That mantra about optical media not having a future has been repeated many times over the last several years. I can definitely see digital only be an option for some markets like Korea or Japan where high speed internet is the standard for virtually the whole population. However for the majority of world internet users digital only for everything is a pipe dream at best. Granted it doesn't help that the world seems to be entering an economic downturn which will slow down adoption as well as the financing of more high speed internet infrastructure by governments and companies.

There is also the factor of many people preferring to own a physical copy over which they can exercise control and if they so choose can trade or exchange.




We'll see ;) Everyone tries to establish a streaming platform by now. Sony started with Qriocity which has been renamed AFAIR, MS also tries to establish streaming via Xbox. Then there is netflix which eats a lot of the whole traffic generated in US. BBC in UK, Lovefilm, Maxdome and others in Germany. In my opinion it will all end in monthly fees and watching-flatrates.

There will always be people who prefer physical copies and I don't want to block optical media but it just isn't needed anymore (for me). I have a good internet connection, most people I know also. We will see how it turns out but I make a bet: Bluray will be the last optical disc format designed for mass market.


Thanks for the reply :)

 By the way I also edited my post and added a couple of questions for you.

I can see you have a killer internet connection. I have a 100Mb line at home which is pretty fast for Australian standards. Seeing as how you're from Germany I can see how the infrastructure would be great in your country. I'm just saying that outside of a few nations including yours it doesn't seem viable for the majority of internet users to go digital only.



 

 

Branko2166 said:
walsufnir said:
Branko2166 said:
walsufnir said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.

Exactly. Sony wanted to see Blu-rays all over the market, just like DVD, and I am sure this won't ever happen again. Yes, picture quality of Blu-ray by now is better than streaming but this will eventually change. Optical discs don't have a future - not in gaming, not in music, not in movies.

That mantra about optical media not having a future has been repeated many times over the last several years. I can definitely see digital only be an option for some markets like Korea or Japan where high speed internet is the standard for virtually the whole population. However for the majority of world internet users digital only for everything is a pipe dream at best. Granted it doesn't help that the world seems to be entering an economic downturn which will slow down adoption as well as the financing of more high speed internet infrastructure by governments and companies.

There is also the factor of many people preferring to own a physical copy over which they can exercise control and if they so choose can trade or exchange.




We'll see ;) Everyone tries to establish a streaming platform by now. Sony started with Qriocity which has been renamed AFAIR, MS also tries to establish streaming via Xbox. Then there is netflix which eats a lot of the whole traffic generated in US. BBC in UK, Lovefilm, Maxdome and others in Germany. In my opinion it will all end in monthly fees and watching-flatrates.

There will always be people who prefer physical copies and I don't want to block optical media but it just isn't needed anymore (for me). I have a good internet connection, most people I know also. We will see how it turns out but I make a bet: Bluray will be the last optical disc format designed for mass market.


Thanks for the reply :)

 By the way I also edited my post and added a couple of questions for you.

I can see you have a killer internet connection. I have a 100Mb line at home which is pretty fast for Australian standards. Seeing as how you're from Germany I can see how the infrastructure would be great in your country. I'm just saying that outside of a few nations including yours it doesn't seem viable for the majority of internet users to go digital only.

For streaming you don't need that much of a killer connection - 6 to 8 mbit is easily sufficient. 100 mbit is enough for even streaming 1080p video ;) Where I am not with you is the part " I'm just saying that outside of a few nations including yours it doesn't seem viable for the majority of internet users to go digital only.". I think there a way more countries where this can be realized than you imagine. Also keep in mind that the internet access is getting better and better. Remember the internet 10 years ago? It is only 10 years and it is still evolving. The access and the applications for internet. This is not only affecting watching-behaviour but also your every day life. For example, nobody wants to use facebook with a dial-up-access. The internet itself demands more bandwidth and so it all evolves. Of course there are countries that are left behind but I think most of the countries where the people earn enough money won't have problems to stream movies in the next 2-3 years. 



@Walsufnir

I agree people's earnings play a role but the other major factor is the government needs to be willing to invest in the infrastructure as well. For instance at the moment in Australia the opposition which looks like will be our next government has promised to scale back the investment being made into our national broadband network. I can see this being a problem in many other countries as well.

In any case I concurr with you that on average we will continue to get better speeds overall assuming the world economy doesn't tank.



 

 

walsufnir said:
theprof00 said:

Likely had they given MS the control, MS would have been allowed to use it in the new xbox. That was probably a defining detail.

EDIT: And now, in the nexbox, MS is going to have to pay the consortium, which is majority controlled by Sony.

And MS gets money from every xperia sold (and all the other androids). :)

That's business as usual. What's your point? MS was also paying the DVD consortium for every DVD which Sony was a major part of as well. This isn't a big dick contest wal, this is just looking at reasons as to why it happened this way.



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Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

Actually, MS was personally financing Toshiba to continue the war. Another reason why they also used an HDDVD add on. They wanted the war to drag on as long as possible, promoting consumer confusion to gain an upper hand against both ps3, and to further it's own streaming tech.



Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.

Why was using DVD a bad decision? It hasn't stopped 360 games from looking as good as PS3 games, it kept the 360 price lower and more profitable.

Early on it seemed like Bluray was gonna be a huge advantage for the PS3. But you can't point out a single game we needed Bluray for. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps if they used DVDs on PS3.

It seemed like MS wasn't thinking ahead sticking with DVD, but it worked out great for them.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the first one that comes to mind. Then there's every single PS3 exclusive that no doubt took advantage of the amount of storage space offered. There's even many multiplatform games that are multi-disc on 360 and single Blu-Ray on PS3.

Yes, DVD was the cheaper choice and probably would have been more profitable if Sony chose it, but you can't have a true entertainment center when you don't support the dominant movie format. I have a feeling PS3 sales would have been much worse in those first few years had it not been for Blu-Ray.

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.

The whole concept of the PS3 is a video game console that is future proof. Sony knew Blu-Ray would be the standard format before this gen was over and they wanted it in their console. Blu-Ray was a selling point for the PS3, both as a game and movie format. You can't deny that.

Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap. 

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.

Why was using DVD a bad decision? It hasn't stopped 360 games from looking as good as PS3 games, it kept the 360 price lower and more profitable.

Early on it seemed like Bluray was gonna be a huge advantage for the PS3. But you can't point out a single game we needed Bluray for. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps if they used DVDs on PS3.

It seemed like MS wasn't thinking ahead sticking with DVD, but it worked out great for them.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the first one that comes to mind. Then there's every single PS3 exclusive that no doubt took advantage of the amount of storage space offered. There's even many multiplatform games that are multi-disc on 360 and single Blu-Ray on PS3.

Yes, DVD was the cheaper choice and probably would have been more profitable if Sony chose it, but you can't have a true entertainment center when you don't support the dominant movie format. I have a feeling PS3 sales would have been much worse in those first few years had it not been for Blu-Ray.

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.

You're right, sales wouldn't have been better, they would have been worse.



Mr Puggsly said:
the2real4mafol said:
Yes, the tech was there anyway. Sony might as well have used it and its actually benefitted games. Games like God of war 3 and Uncharted 2/3 and others would have been restricted too much if they had to fit on a DVD. Blu ray was a good choice in the long run.

God of War and Uncharted would have been been fine on DVDs. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps and FMVs wouldn't be as sharp. Not a single PS3 game showed we needed Bluray this gen.

Not using Bluray would have benefited Sony financially and a cheaper PS3 would have been a greater success.

I completely disagree, going with blu-ray was a good idea for this generation. So what if it didn't make them much money?! It gave the extra storage space that games especially exclusives needed. Uncharted 2 and 3 and Metal Gear Solid 4 are such examples that blu-ray was needed, there were nearly 50gb each! God of war 3 was 35gb, could you imagine these on 6 or 7 DVD's?! It's this reason that it's stupid that Metal Gear Solid V is coming to xbox 360, i dread to think how many DVD's that will use. Personally, i like my games on 1 disc but i'm sure developers have reduced the quality of graphics and even cut stuff from their games, just to fit it on an old fashioned DVD. It was enough for last gen, but not in the HD era



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Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.

SIGH. You want to know what really popularized streaming? YOUTUBE. Netflix/Hulu are evolutions of this. People already uploaded movies/tv shows on Youtube only for it to be taken down a few days later....Microsfot literray had nothing to do with the rise of streaming services, they are going with the flow. They didn't invent streaming. They don't even own a streaming webstie or app. Microsoft had no more to do with the popularity of streaming than Sony. Did you forget that PS3 is the #1 console for Netflix? 



theprof00 said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

Actually, MS was personally financing Toshiba to continue the war. Another reason why they also used an HDDVD add on. They wanted the war to drag on as long as possible, promoting consumer confusion to gain an upper hand against both ps3, and to further it's own streaming tech.

What streaming tech?