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Zappykins on 15 April 2013
Turkish said:

Uh, source for that? Bluray was always the popular format. And no HD DVD in the 360 wouldn't have affected the format war anyway. Are you even aware of the fact that the HD DVD addon released in the same month as PS3? So if 360 had a HD DVD drive the console would've been delayed to include the new format, not only that but the price of the  360 would've increased significantly, eliminating any advantage it had over PS3: being early in the market and price point.

Really? I am not sure what you are refering to as HD-DVD came out in April 2006 in the US (March in Japan).

"The HD-DVD side appears to be playing their cards right. According to Nielsen data from August, discs sold in the HD-DVD format sold 3 times more than any other competing HD DVD format, including BluRay. The format is also on track to having 230 titles by Christmas. I don't have comparable data for BluRay, but a graph on this page shows that, currently, there are 80 HD-DVD titles to BluRay's 48. Perhaps BluRay will manage to push out more than the 150 titles HD-DVD is planning for Christmas, but given the issues they have faced thus far, I consider that unlikely."

If you want to read more: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/carroll/hd-dvd-takes-an-early-lead/1609



 

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walsufnir on 15 April 2013
theprof00 said:

Likely had they given MS the control, MS would have been allowed to use it in the new xbox. That was probably a defining detail.

EDIT: And now, in the nexbox, MS is going to have to pay the consortium, which is majority controlled by Sony.

And MS gets money from every xperia sold (and all the other androids). :)



walsufnir on 15 April 2013
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.


In which way was dvd bad for 360? There are not a lot of games who needed more than one disc.



walsufnir on 15 April 2013
VGKing said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.

Why was using DVD a bad decision? It hasn't stopped 360 games from looking as good as PS3 games, it kept the 360 price lower and more profitable.

Early on it seemed like Bluray was gonna be a huge advantage for the PS3. But you can't point out a single game we needed Bluray for. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps if they used DVDs on PS3.

It seemed like MS wasn't thinking ahead sticking with DVD, but it worked out great for them.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the first one that comes to mind. Then there's every single PS3 exclusive that no doubt took advantage of the amount of storage space offered. There's even many multiplatform games that are multi-disc on 360 and single Blu-Ray on PS3.

Because they didn't have to care about the size. It's not that the games *needed* to be that big. Even Skyrim fits on one dvd...



walsufnir on 15 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.

Exactly. Sony wanted to see Blu-rays all over the market, just like DVD, and I am sure this won't ever happen again. Yes, picture quality of Blu-ray by now is better than streaming but this will eventually change. Optical discs don't have a future - not in gaming, not in music, not in movies.



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Turkish on 15 April 2013
Zappykins said:
Turkish said:
 

Uh, source for that? Bluray was always the popular format. And no HD DVD in the 360 wouldn't have affected the format war anyway. Are you even aware of the fact that the HD DVD addon released in the same month as PS3? So if 360 had a HD DVD drive the console would've been delayed to include the new format, not only that but the price of the  360 would've increased significantly, eliminating any advantage it had over PS3: being early in the market and price point.

Really? I am not sure what you are refering to as HD-DVD came out in April 2006 in the US (March in Japan).

"The HD-DVD side appears to be playing their cards right. According to Nielsen data from August, discs sold in the HD-DVD format sold 3 times more than any other competing HD DVD format, including BluRay. The format is also on track to having 230 titles by Christmas. I don't have comparable data for BluRay, but a graph on this page shows that, currently, there are 80 HD-DVD titles to BluRay's 48. Perhaps BluRay will manage to push out more than the 150 titles HD-DVD is planning for Christmas, but given the issues they have faced thus far, I consider that unlikely."

If you want to read more: http://www.zdnet.com/blog/carroll/hd-dvd-takes-an-early-lead/1609


The point I was making is that 360 would still have been delayed and be more expensive than it was if it included the hd dvd drive. You're assuming the xbox would've released alongside the hd dvd format in april 2006. It would've been disastrous for its sales.

That Nielsen data from august 2006 doesn't say much, hd dvd had a 2 big releases vs none on bluray.



Zappykins on 15 April 2013
Turkish said:


The point I was making is that 360 would still have been delayed and be more expensive than it was if it included the hd dvd drive. You're assuming the xbox would've released alongside the hd dvd format in april 2006. It would've been disastrous for its sales.

That Nielsen data from august 2006 doesn't say much, hd dvd had a 2 big releases vs none on bluray.

I was assuming under this 'What if' scenario, that the new format would have be ready to go when the Xbox 360 launched in 2005.  And that HD DVD had a clear lead at the beginning.

If it was delayed to launch with the PS3 and Wii, I can see a number of scenarios, and I'm not sure if the numbers wouldn't be within 10-20 percent of today’s.  I'll have to think about it. 

Absolutely, the year lead helped the X360 just as having a blu-ray helps the PS3.  All being equal, I'm not sure how much it would effect the final numbers as the other advantages and disadvantages are still in play.

I guess we will see better with this next gen, if Microsoft launches this fall with Sony.

Plus we will have a new 4K format war!  I don't know if you saw, but a new under $2k 4K TV is coming to the States. http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/12/seiki-50-inch-4k-1300/



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

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Turkish on 15 April 2013
Zappykins said:
Turkish said:
 


The point I was making is that 360 would still have been delayed and be more expensive than it was if it included the hd dvd drive. You're assuming the xbox would've released alongside the hd dvd format in april 2006. It would've been disastrous for its sales.

That Nielsen data from august 2006 doesn't say much, hd dvd had a 2 big releases vs none on bluray.

I was assuming under this 'What if' scenario, that the new format would have be ready to go when the Xbox 360 launched in 2005.  And that HD DVD had a clear lead at the beginning.

If it was delayed to launch with the PS3 and Wii, I can see a number of scenarios, and I'm not sure if the numbers wouldn't be within 10-20 percent of today’s.  I'll have to think about it. 

Absolutely, the year lead helped the X360 just as having a blu-ray helps the PS3.  All being equal, I'm not sure how much it would effect the final numbers as the other advantages and disadvantages are still in play.

I guess we will see better with this next gen, if Microsoft launches this fall with Sony.

Plus we will have a new 4K format war!  I don't know if you saw, but a new under $2k 4K TV is coming to the States. http://www.engadget.com/2013/04/12/seiki-50-inch-4k-1300/

 

Agreed, next gen is gonna be interesting when both of its successors will (probably) launch at the same time.



oldschoolfool on 15 April 2013

I'm glad they used blue-ray. I only buy blue-ray movies now. Worked out for me.



Branko2166 on 15 April 2013
walsufnir said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.

Exactly. Sony wanted to see Blu-rays all over the market, just like DVD, and I am sure this won't ever happen again. Yes, picture quality of Blu-ray by now is better than streaming but this will eventually change. Optical discs don't have a future - not in gaming, not in music, not in movies.

That mantra about optical media not having a future has been repeated many times over the last several years. I can definitely see digital only be an option for some markets like Korea or Japan where high speed internet is the standard for virtually the whole population. However for the majority of world internet users digital only for everything is a pipe dream at best. Granted it doesn't help that the world seems to be entering an economic downturn which will slow down adoption as well as the financing of more high speed internet infrastructure by governments and companies.

There is also the factor of many people preferring to own a physical copy over which they can exercise control and if they so choose can trade or exchange.

edit- And when you say that streaming quality will become better than optical media eventually can you provide a rough estimate of when that will be.

Also it seems apparent that even if and when we reach that stage only a minority will have internet speeds sufficient to view it through streaming at that quality.