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Mr Puggsly on 15 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.

Exactly some people have said without bluray there sales would be worse but Iif they chose dvd then the price would have likely been $400 which is what 360 cost and im pretty sure if they were priced the same in 2006 then ps3 would have outsold 360 by quite a bit

Sorry, typo. PS3 sales WOULD HAVE been better without Bluray. Most users didn't buy PS3 for a Bluray player. They wanted a game console.

No doubt an evenly priced PS3 would have outsold the 360.



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zorg1000 on 15 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
zorg1000 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.

Exactly some people have said without bluray there sales would be worse but Iif they chose dvd then the price would have likely been $400 which is what 360 cost and im pretty sure if they were priced the same in 2006 then ps3 would have outsold 360 by quite a bit

Sorry, typo. PS3 sales WOULD HAVE been better without Bluray. Most users didn't buy PS3 for a Bluray player. They wanted a game console.

No doubt an evenly priced PS3 would have outsold the 360.

I didnt even notice ur typo lol I was agreeing with u



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Mr Puggsly on 15 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
Mr Puggsly said:
zorg1000 said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.

Exactly some people have said without bluray there sales would be worse but Iif they chose dvd then the price would have likely been $400 which is what 360 cost and im pretty sure if they were priced the same in 2006 then ps3 would have outsold 360 by quite a bit

Sorry, typo. PS3 sales WOULD HAVE been better without Bluray. Most users didn't buy PS3 for a Bluray player. They wanted a game console.

No doubt an evenly priced PS3 would have outsold the 360.

I didnt even notice ur typo lol I was agreeing with u

Yeah, it looked like we were on the same page. But just in case.



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Zappykins on 15 April 2013
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

Do you realize that Netflix runs on Silverlight and Moonlight (in Linux - say on a Roku) for streaming?  Those are Microsoft developed formats.

If the HD war didn't happen, people wouldn't be streaming as much - as more people would own and use whatever the HD format was.



 

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Jicale on 15 April 2013

Kinda off topic but does anyone know why laserdisc players from the 70s-80s didnt beat vhs/beta?



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Zappykins on 15 April 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
zorg1000 said:

Also would Iincluding hd-dvd to 360 from the beginning have brought the console price up? I know it wasnt as expensive as bluray but would 360 have cost more like 350-400/450-500 depending on sku?

Maybe. It's also possible that MS could have gotten a good deal on HD-DVD drives if Toshiba and NEC wanted to help spread the format. HD-DVD drives don't use expensive Blue Lasers so it probably wouldn't have cost much more if anything. MS didn't want anything to do with the format war and instead hoped that discs would die in favor of digital distro.

HD DVD was selling several times better than Blu-ray for the longest time.  If Microsoft had put an HD DVD in the Xbox 360, I think the format war would have ended rather quickly.  Sure would depend on how much the HD DVD's were - and  how much it increased the cost.  (Yes HD DVD uses a blue laser too!)  It would have put so many more HD DVD’s out in the world ahead of the PS3.  I think Blu-ray would have been DOA. The PS3 would have been Betamax 2.0 and the PS4 would already be out for a couple of years now.   (Probably introduce with the new ‘Sony Move’ in 2010.)

It was Sony's clout, and ownership of some of the Movie Studios and Television that allowed them to push for other companies to go with Blu-ray over HD DVD. They were able to negotiate with other studios.  Yes, can store slightly more information than HD DVD, but enough in my option to really mater.

I think Microsoft's bigger mistake was not requiring a hard drive.  Otherwise, you could just load the game on your drive, and it doesn't matter how many disk it uses, as you just install and use the 'main' one to run the program.  Having to be able to run off the DVD has been a headache for developers.  But it allowed Microsoft to have a lower priced model.

Anyway, fun forum!



 

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Mr Puggsly on 15 April 2013
Jicale said:
Kinda off topic but does anyone know why laserdisc players from the 70s-80s didnt beat vhs/beta?

Probably because the discs were massive, could only hold 60 minutes per side, and I imagine price was an issue. VHS was more convenient due to it being more widely available.

I feel like DVD caught on primarily because of extra features. People felt like the DVD was the must version of a movie.



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zorg1000 on 15 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
Jicale said:
Kinda off topic but does anyone know why laserdisc players from the 70s-80s didnt beat vhs/beta?

Probably because the discs were massive, could only hold 60 minutes per side, and I imagine price was an issue. VHS was more convenient due to it being more widely available.

I feel like DVD caught on primarily because of extra features. People felt like the DVD was the must version of a movie.


Ya as a kid I didnt realize dvd had better audio/video, I just thought it was cool cuz u didnt have to rewind them and they had a menu so u could skip previews and the behind the scene/deleted scenes



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Jicale on 15 April 2013

^^ Cheers.

I only found out they existed the other day after coming across one on ebay.



Turkish on 15 April 2013
Zappykins said:
kain_kusanagi said:
zorg1000 said:
 

Also would Iincluding hd-dvd to 360 from the beginning have brought the console price up? I know it wasnt as expensive as bluray but would 360 have cost more like 350-400/450-500 depending on sku?

Maybe. It's also possible that MS could have gotten a good deal on HD-DVD drives if Toshiba and NEC wanted to help spread the format. HD-DVD drives don't use expensive Blue Lasers so it probably wouldn't have cost much more if anything. MS didn't want anything to do with the format war and instead hoped that discs would die in favor of digital distro.

HD DVD was selling several times better than Blu-ray for the longest time.  If Microsoft had put an HD DVD in the Xbox 360, I think the format war would have ended rather quickly.  Sure would depend on how much the HD DVD's were - and  how much it increased the cost.  (Yes HD DVD uses a blue laser too!)  It would have put so many more HD DVD’s out in the world ahead of the PS3.  I think Blu-ray would have been DOA. The PS3 would have been Betamax 2.0 and the PS4 would already be out for a couple of years now.   (Probably introduce with the new ‘Sony Move’ in 2010.)

It was Sony's clout, and ownership of some of the Movie Studios and Television that allowed them to push for other companies to go with Blu-ray over HD DVD. They were able to negotiate with other studios.  Yes, can store slightly more information than HD DVD, but enough in my option to really mater.

I think Microsoft's bigger mistake was not requiring a hard drive.  Otherwise, you could just load the game on your drive, and it doesn't matter how many disk it uses, as you just install and use the 'main' one to run the program.  Having to be able to run off the DVD has been a headache for developers.  But it allowed Microsoft to have a lower priced model.

Anyway, fun forum!

 

Uh, source for that? Bluray was always the popular format. And no HD DVD in the 360 wouldn't have affected the format war anyway. Are you even aware of the fact that the HD DVD addon released in the same month as PS3? So if 360 had a HD DVD drive the console would've been delayed to include the new format, not only that but the price of the  360 would've increased significantly, eliminating any advantage it had over PS3: being early in the market and price point.