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kain_kusanagi on 14 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I think an even better questions is this:

If the Xbox 360 shipped with an internal HD-DVD a whole year before Blu-Ray hit would HD-DVD have won the format war?

I don't know the answer, but HD-DVD is the superior format so maybe if it came standard in Xbox 360 it would have given it the push it needed.

That is a good question, perhaps it would have drug out the format war for a few years

It might have. It might have also nuked the competition and be the standard today. MS doesn't care one way or the other. Sony needed Blu-Ray to win. If it hadn't the PS3 would have been a total disaster.



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EricFabian on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.


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zorg1000 on 14 April 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
zorg1000 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I think an even better questions is this:

If the Xbox 360 shipped with an internal HD-DVD a whole year before Blu-Ray hit would HD-DVD have won the format war?

I don't know the answer, but HD-DVD is the superior format so maybe if it came standard in Xbox 360 it would have given it the push it needed.

That is a good question, perhaps it would have drug out the format war for a few years

It might have. It might have also nuked the competition and be the standard today. MS doesn't care one way or the other. Sony needed Blu-Ray to win. If it hadn't the PS3 would have been a total disaster.

Ya i never really thought about how much sony was risking, if hd-dvd won then theres a very good chance ps3 would have completely failed, which is crazy since PS1 and 2 dominated



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zorg1000 on 14 April 2013
kain_kusanagi said:
zorg1000 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I think an even better questions is this:

If the Xbox 360 shipped with an internal HD-DVD a whole year before Blu-Ray hit would HD-DVD have won the format war?

I don't know the answer, but HD-DVD is the superior format so maybe if it came standard in Xbox 360 it would have given it the push it needed.

That is a good question, perhaps it would have drug out the format war for a few years

It might have. It might have also nuked the competition and be the standard today. MS doesn't care one way or the other. Sony needed Blu-Ray to win. If it hadn't the PS3 would have been a total disaster.

Also would Iincluding hd-dvd to 360 from the beginning have brought the console price up? I know it wasnt as expensive as bluray but would 360 have cost more like 350-400/450-500 depending on sku?



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VGKing on 14 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.

Why was using DVD a bad decision? It hasn't stopped 360 games from looking as good as PS3 games, it kept the 360 price lower and more profitable.

Early on it seemed like Bluray was gonna be a huge advantage for the PS3. But you can't point out a single game we needed Bluray for. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps if they used DVDs on PS3.

It seemed like MS wasn't thinking ahead sticking with DVD, but it worked out great for them.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the first one that comes to mind. Then there's every single PS3 exclusive that no doubt took advantage of the amount of storage space offered. There's even many multiplatform games that are multi-disc on 360 and single Blu-Ray on PS3.

Yes, DVD was the cheaper choice and probably would have been more profitable if Sony chose it, but you can't have a true entertainment center when you don't support the dominant movie format. I have a feeling PS3 sales would have been much worse in those first few years had it not been for Blu-Ray.



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VGKing on 14 April 2013
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.



Mr Puggsly on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.

Why was using DVD a bad decision? It hasn't stopped 360 games from looking as good as PS3 games, it kept the 360 price lower and more profitable.

Early on it seemed like Bluray was gonna be a huge advantage for the PS3. But you can't point out a single game we needed Bluray for. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps if they used DVDs on PS3.

It seemed like MS wasn't thinking ahead sticking with DVD, but it worked out great for them.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the first one that comes to mind. Then there's every single PS3 exclusive that no doubt took advantage of the amount of storage space offered. There's even many multiplatform games that are multi-disc on 360 and single Blu-Ray on PS3.

Yes, DVD was the cheaper choice and probably would have been more profitable if Sony chose it, but you can't have a true entertainment center when you don't support the dominant movie format. I have a feeling PS3 sales would have been much worse in those first few years had it not been for Blu-Ray.

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.



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kain_kusanagi on 14 April 2013
zorg1000 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
zorg1000 said:
kain_kusanagi said:
I think an even better questions is this:

If the Xbox 360 shipped with an internal HD-DVD a whole year before Blu-Ray hit would HD-DVD have won the format war?

I don't know the answer, but HD-DVD is the superior format so maybe if it came standard in Xbox 360 it would have given it the push it needed.

That is a good question, perhaps it would have drug out the format war for a few years

It might have. It might have also nuked the competition and be the standard today. MS doesn't care one way or the other. Sony needed Blu-Ray to win. If it hadn't the PS3 would have been a total disaster.

Also would Iincluding hd-dvd to 360 from the beginning have brought the console price up? I know it wasnt as expensive as bluray but would 360 have cost more like 350-400/450-500 depending on sku?

Maybe. It's also possible that MS could have gotten a good deal on HD-DVD drives if Toshiba and NEC wanted to help spread the format. HD-DVD drives don't use expensive Blue Lasers so it probably wouldn't have cost much more if anything. MS didn't want anything to do with the format war and instead hoped that discs would die in favor of digital distro.



Mr Puggsly on 14 April 2013
VGKing said:
Zappykins said:
I am going to revise what I said. After thinking about how many people I know who bought a PS3 because it could play Blu-rays.

So having a Blu-ray significantly helped the PS3's sales. But the format war significantly damaged disc sales, the industry, and launched the door to streaming.

Also, I think Microsoft pushed streaming, and their 1080P 5.1 streaming more because they had to counter blu-ray.

LOL. Streaming is just part of the digital revolution.
Streaming really took off with Netflix. Microsoft had nothing to do with it.

MS had something to do with it. They helped push using digital streaming on televisions via their popular console. If Sony had it their way, they would prefer people just stuck with Bluray.



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zorg1000 on 15 April 2013
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
Mr Puggsly said:
VGKing said:
I think seeing how the DVD feature was a huge selling point for the PS2, Sony was planning on introducing Blu-Ray to the masses for years in advance. HD-DVD format didn't matter since Sony was on the competing side.

What Sony should do a few years down the road is sell PS3s in the Blu-Ray isle real cheap.

I think Microsoft going with DVD on 360 was a bad decision. They should have at least used HD-DVD but they didn't really plan too far ahead. Sony obviously saw that DVDs weren't going to be enough for many games anymore. I'm just glad Microsoft is going with Blu-Ray next-gen. Even Nintendo is using 25GB discs.

Why was using DVD a bad decision? It hasn't stopped 360 games from looking as good as PS3 games, it kept the 360 price lower and more profitable.

Early on it seemed like Bluray was gonna be a huge advantage for the PS3. But you can't point out a single game we needed Bluray for. Worst case scenario, more disc swaps if they used DVDs on PS3.

It seemed like MS wasn't thinking ahead sticking with DVD, but it worked out great for them.

Metal Gear Solid 4 is the first one that comes to mind. Then there's every single PS3 exclusive that no doubt took advantage of the amount of storage space offered. There's even many multiplatform games that are multi-disc on 360 and single Blu-Ray on PS3.

Yes, DVD was the cheaper choice and probably would have been more profitable if Sony chose it, but you can't have a true entertainment center when you don't support the dominant movie format. I have a feeling PS3 sales would have been much worse in those first few years had it not been for Blu-Ray.

Using multiple discs is a solution for games that need more space than a single DVD offers. That doesn't demonstrate Bluray was essential for PS3.

Sony should have focused less on a "true entertainment center" and more on just pushing a game console. PS3 sales wouldn't have been better without Bluray. It would have kept the console cheaper and more profitable.

Exactly some people have said without bluray there sales would be worse but Iif they chose dvd then the price would have likely been $400 which is what 360 cost and im pretty sure if they were priced the same in 2006 then ps3 would have outsold 360 by quite a bit



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