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@OT. No. Nintendo is the last holdout against the industry hivemind and gaming becoming completely soulless. Them leaving consoles would be unforgivable.



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dahuman said:
oniyide said:
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oniyide said:
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yes, but to be fair their are only a few franchises i actually look forward to anyway. IMHO their hardware is pretty bland. There is nothing on a ninty console, usually, that could not be replicated on another system.


Honestly, they are much better than MS and Sony on that front.

No they really are not, especially after the last 2 and WIi U is heading that way. ITs going to be weaker than PS4 720 and not have anything to compensate except for that controller with a screen which could be replicated (and is) being replicated at least by Sony. Wii was much weaker than PS360 and they ended up getting their own motion devices anyway, which some would argue is better. GC was more powerful than PS2, but wasnt more than xbox and didnt have DVD playback or internet.

Unless you are talking about hardware realiabily then i concur, but that doesnt have much to do with software anyway.


Think about the meaning of bland for a sec man, we've had graphical jumps every generation, the trend is really very bland by now as even the Wii U is stronger than the 360 and PS3. Also with streaming services becoming prevalent, the need for Blu-ray is diminishing(and I have a PS3 for Blu-ray anyways hehe...) I'm talking about something new and interesting. Motion control was interesting, as broken as most games were with the idea(I'm a Wii owner and I say only 25% of the games actually got it right lol.) The DS was interesting because it had 2 screens and one was touch. The 3DS was interesting because they added motion control and is the first actual broad glassless consumer 3D device. The Wii U is interesting because it actually make the games more intuitive and they added all these features into their game pad(even NFC support O_O.)

PS4 added a touch pad in the middle of the new dual shock....... I was actually scratching my head when I first saw it since it was screaming..... "minimum effort.....!" I'll most likely get one eventually anyways. But yeah, comparing who's more bland, Nintendo is definitely not the winner, for sure.


Graphical jumps is bland? If thats how you feel then there really is not poing in talking to you. But ill try anyway, that doesnt make any sense, things progress. Thats how you get NEW games and NEW experiences, otherwise we still be playing 2d games. Wii U is barely stronger than consoles that have been out for 7 years. THats bland as hell. 25 percent, thats my point right there that is horrible I dont care how interesting it is, if it doesnt work, then it is  crap period and the whole motion thing for the WIi generally, as you just said doesnt work. That might be good enough for you "oh motion, awesome" and that sfine but its not good enough for me, especially when every other aspect of the system is years outdated. So no new GTAs, ACs, Elder Scrolls, etc. Hell we were pretty playing PS2 era games with mostly crappy controls, if you dont think thats bland more power to you. ANd they were not the first to the market with motion controls. WiiU is more intuitive? really? ive yet to play a game that is like that. Not saying they are not coming but im still waiting for one to take advantage and not just put a map on the screen.

I didnt bring up the portables becasue Ninty usually does well in that department, but to be fair nobody cares about 3d on 3ds and this is coming from a guy who defended it.

Yes i thought the PS3 mini screen was weird and its interesting you thought it screamed minimal effort thats how i felt about the last three Ninty consoles especailly when it came to thier online. No Sony has been the jack of all trades. ANd thats what i love about them, they are not going to put all their eggs in one basket, they will just give you a bunch of smaller baskets, now that is not the sexiest approach, but as a gamer. Its the best one. Did we really need a console that focused on motion and nothing else? No especially when it led to horrible shovelware and got less core support than even GC. Did Ninty really need to focus on this big ass controller? Not really? its not selling the system, at least motion controls did that for Wii. We have to wait for them to bring their big guns.


Graphical progression is expected so yeah, it's pretty bland :P New experience has been coming from Nintendo for years now, I'm not saying it's a good experience for everybody, but they are not as bland as the other 2 companies when you are talking about playing video games. Think about it for a sec and you'll realize that you've played your PS3 in pretty much the same way you played the PS2 out of the package, same with the xbox, and that most likely won't change with the next PS and Xbox.

My 3D is never off, and when I turn it off, the experience is shittier, I'm pretty sure I'm not along on that one :P.

Sony is a jack of all trades where they just kinda try to counter with their own versions of things that nobody uses in the end. The problem is that they are usually add-ons and not included, most PS3 users will never have a PSEye, a PS Move, and any of the other shit that comes later because it was not included in the initial package(I do have the Bluetooth headset and the little keyboard thing though lol). The honest truth is I haven't seen Sony being in anyway innovative since the PSX days. Not to mention the Wii shovelware was 3rd party taking the wrong bet and look how many studios went under since the start of the 7th gen? All we get now are mostly numbers games AKA sequels out the ass, the current video game industry is getting jacked up and it will fail if we just keep going the "more power is better!" route. My opinion is that it doesn't look good TBH, I'm most likely going to move slowly towards Indie and Handheld more as the supposed AAA titles are mostly not very interesting to me outside of the very few these days.

No verdict on Wii U yet, I just know the controller works well, but I Have no idea how it will perform after looking at the 3DS coming back from the dead. I just know cutting edge graphics is not even 50% of the equation or we'll all be fucked as gamers in the future.


you keep trying put your opinion as fact. i have thought of it. Graphical progression comes with hardware progression, which gives you more variety to play, which means it cant be bland as you are experiencing something new, you are putting way too much into the controller which again doestn even work properly. I dont WANT it to change because usually the change (as we have seen with Wiimote) is NOT for hte better, if you think it is, good for you. Alot of people dont.

My 3d is always off cause it kills battery life, i only use it on the road, and if im on the road there is no way i can keep it still to have the effect be good anyway, so its better if its just off.

Thats it though, it SHOULD be an addon. I love that, if you want to use it, its there if you dont, dont . Its not trying to force anything on you like Ninty did with Wii and at the very least there addon works better than the comp(Kinect notwithstanding) and at least they support their addons, alot more than i can say that Ninty did for Motion+ and that sold way more. SO what was Ninty's excuse. It is completly irrelevant how much people use what cause as we seen with this gen that doesnt always equal support. Which is the most important thing right? Dont care about "innovation" or who did it first. I only care about who does it better and if it works. 3rd party shovelware is companies taking advantage of people who like things like WiiFIt, thats all that was and the MADE money on it, especially the no name guys. IT was that cheap to make. They didnt bet on the wrong horse, they made games they knew woulld SELL on Wii.

THe 3ds was never dead, we just had to high expectations and it seems some still do. We thought the 3d was going to sell it, it didnt, we gotta to deal with that. Same with WII U the controller ISNT sellign the system, thats just the way it is. I know some wish it wasnt so.



I would like Nintendo more if they just put friggin' arm on their WiiU characters. I can understand missing the on the Wii, but now the motion tech is not so new, they should be able to give my toon arms!

But I bet they could make some sweet Kinect/Sony Move games.



 

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Graphical progression is expected so yeah, it's pretty bland :P New experience has been coming from Nintendo for years now, I'm not saying it's a good experience for everybody, but they are not as bland as the other 2 companies when you are talking about playing video games. Think about it for a sec and you'll realize that you've played your PS3 in pretty much the same way you played the PS2 out of the package, same with the xbox, and that most likely won't change with the next PS and Xbox.

My 3D is never off, and when I turn it off, the experience is shittier, I'm pretty sure I'm not along on that one :P.

Sony is a jack of all trades where they just kinda try to counter with their own versions of things that nobody uses in the end. The problem is that they are usually add-ons and not included, most PS3 users will never have a PSEye, a PS Move, and any of the other shit that comes later because it was not included in the initial package(I do have the Bluetooth headset and the little keyboard thing though lol). The honest truth is I haven't seen Sony being in anyway innovative since the PSX days. Not to mention the Wii shovelware was 3rd party taking the wrong bet and look how many studios went under since the start of the 7th gen? All we get now are mostly numbers games AKA sequels out the ass, the current video game industry is getting jacked up and it will fail if we just keep going the "more power is better!" route. My opinion is that it doesn't look good TBH, I'm most likely going to move slowly towards Indie and Handheld more as the supposed AAA titles are mostly not very interesting to me outside of the very few these days.

No verdict on Wii U yet, I just know the controller works well, but I Have no idea how it will perform after looking at the 3DS coming back from the dead. I just know cutting edge graphics is not even 50% of the equation or we'll all be fucked as gamers in the future.


you keep trying put your opinion as fact. i have thought of it. Graphical progression comes with hardware progression, which gives you more variety to play, which means it cant be bland as you are experiencing something new, you are putting way too much into the controller which again doestn even work properly. I dont WANT it to change because usually the change (as we have seen with Wiimote) is NOT for hte better, if you think it is, good for you. Alot of people dont.

My 3d is always off cause it kills battery life, i only use it on the road, and if im on the road there is no way i can keep it still to have the effect be good anyway, so its better if its just off.

Thats it though, it SHOULD be an addon. I love that, if you want to use it, its there if you dont, dont . Its not trying to force anything on you like Ninty did with Wii and at the very least there addon works better than the comp(Kinect notwithstanding) and at least they support their addons, alot more than i can say that Ninty did for Motion+ and that sold way more. SO what was Ninty's excuse. It is completly irrelevant how much people use what cause as we seen with this gen that doesnt always equal support. Which is the most important thing right? Dont care about "innovation" or who did it first. I only care about who does it better and if it works. 3rd party shovelware is companies taking advantage of people who like things like WiiFIt, thats all that was and the MADE money on it, especially the no name guys. IT was that cheap to make. They didnt bet on the wrong horse, they made games they knew woulld SELL on Wii.

THe 3ds was never dead, we just had to high expectations and it seems some still do. We thought the 3d was going to sell it, it didnt, we gotta to deal with that. Same with WII U the controller ISNT sellign the system, thats just the way it is. I know some wish it wasnt so.


Not at all, I have never tried to pass my opinion off as facts, I even stated in my reply as opinions with the word in there lol. I clearly stated that it's not for everybody and is not perfect by any means, but it's definitely a new way to play games and just like all ways of controlling games, will require time to get it right. I'm also simply saying that graphical improvements is bland due to the nature of it being expected, not that it won't improve our gaming quality, these are all very seperate things but you seem to want to lump them together for some reason, kinda strange. o_O;

You must have a first gen 3DS :-/ in that case yeah it sucks, I have a XL personally and the battery life is not bad if I just keep brightness at 3 on my end.

Seriously man, Motion+ didn't sell that well either considering how many wiimotes were out there when it came out, it's only okay now because they put WM+ in all Wiimotes now. The problem is support would be shit without them being the standard and that's why I'll never have a Move or an Eye. One thing Nintendo was smart about was the plug-in port on the Wiimote where you can just plug in cheap game pads into it, but that's about it.

I have no verdict because I don't think the 8th gen would do really well overall, and I want to be wrong on this, please let me be wrong :( Anyways, I was merely talking about the word "bland." It seems more like you meant "niche."



I would be far more excited to be honest. For me, Nintendo systems have simply become a platform to play Nintendo only games and they've been that way since the N64 generation. Why wouldn't you want a company like Nintendo to develop exclusively software on far superior hardware platform? The closer and closer we creep to consoles being full blown PCs this would allow them to focus more on peripherals and general game experience enhancements to support their software.

With that being said, I think Nintendo gets a bad rap when it comes to hardware. I firmly believe Nintendo makes the best hardware (in the categories of quality and reliability). I've never had a Nintendo system die on me. I can't say the same for Playstation or Microsoft or Sega.

As for the future? The money really isn't in the hardware business as far as I'm concerned. Look at Sony and MS this generation. I think the Wii success was always somewhat of a fluke and the exception not the norm and that in general we will see the larger more powerful consoles seeing larger amounts of sales.

Why not let the larger companies endure the selling at a loss and benefit 100% from the software sales.



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So much doom and gloom... We know nothing of the future.
Nintendo will be fine. They haven't even shown off what they have waiting. Will they be first place this gen? Who knows? But they won't just roll over and die. This I know.



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Lets be honest, why do people keep making these threads about Nintendo crashing and burning? If you havnt notice they have made the most money in the gaming industry. Total games Nintendo has sold as of December 31, 2012: 4.08 billion. (compare to Sonys 2.8 billion) And yet there dieing?
Lets be realistic here, there not going anyway. WiiU is Cheap for reasons, and the Hardware isnt bad. If you think Hardware means everything in gaming then take a look at Super Mario Galaxys. That game was rendered on the Wii and looked as good as 360/PS3 games. Now imagain what Nintendo can do with Mario on a system that is 20 times more powerful then a Wii.

People need to get specs out of there head and actrually play whats fun, Nintendo have survived this long via what they do, not what Sony or MS do.



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It would make me a Nintendo fan again for the first time in over a decade.

That's really interesting. How come?

Because all of their zany decisions HappyD. The Wii turned a lot of gamers off of Nintendo I think. That casual friendsly, Motion control thing pushed gamers away. Even thought it was very popular.


Gamers weren't there to begin with if you hadn't remember the N64 and Gamecube sales.


They were there for the N64, but as PS grew in popularity they just realized they did not have to settle with Nintendo anymore. That is what Nintendo makes you do, they make you settle. Do not want to wait forever for change or games or anything else? too bad! Just settle.

Do not want to missout on third party games? Too bad! Just settle.

People or gamers got smart.

 

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This is not a doom thread. Just wondering what people would do and how their loyalties would ly if Nintendo ever did this.



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To anwser this thread i would lose interest in Nintendo like most people did with Sega. Nintendo games are unique and require a unique system, otherwise there games will be all the same.

About settling with whatever Nintendo make, well maybe true about the 3rd party market however you buy an iPhone for there software much like Nintendo with there software.
Sony on the otherhand decide to sell there systems over $800 and force you to buy a DvD or Blu-Ray player, thats telling people to settle. Nintendo has alwas been very generous about there system pricing and they dont throw in anything that true gamers dont want.