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Does the PS3 surpass the 360 in sales if there is a $99 360?

Yes 61 54.95%
 
No 49 44.14%
 
Total:110

Better legs? The 360 is still going strong and is a full year older!

Also, pretty much this entire generation after 2007 the PS3 and 360 have been the same price. The Core/Arcade cheaper 360 sku was never the big seller of the SKU's as apparent by a $280 average selling price when comparing the $199/299 models. That means 4 out of 5 360's purchased were the more expensive SKU's which were constantly set at the SAME PRICE as the PS3 SKU's. To match or even exceed the sales of your competitor when your prices are the virtually the same and your competitor even offers some additional hardware, now that's extraordinary and that's what the 360 has done this whole time.

Now, I will say if the $99 360 is just the 4GB arcade, it will have a much lesser affect than a $99 250GB 360 would. No matter what, though, it would put the sales back in line with the 360 outselling the PS3 consistently because the price points would finally be where they should have been a year or two ago. The 360 should have always maintained pricing that was drastically lower than the PS3, yet instead they matched pricing on their main SKU's the majority of their lifetimes.

In the end, it paid off for Microsoft in the form of great profits even during heavy R&D periods for their "NextBox". Where MS has made back all their money from the 360's initial losses and begun to dig into the original Xbox's losses, the PS3 still hasn't started fighting back the red ink.



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JoeTheBro said:

Yeah cause it's not like this already hasn't happened...

Sure it was on contract but it didn't make sales explode. Why would this be any better since people buy gold anyway?

Try going into a Best Buy, Walmart, or TRU store and seeing any kind of advertisement for that deal. I know I sure haven't seen one. Furthermore it's not available at all retailers and requires a credit check/2 year contract.

Not even remotely close to just strolling into a store and asking the clerk to grab you a $99 Xbox.



dsgrue3 said:
nightsurge said:

Actually you said very little. You simply said 360 cuts = PS3 cuts which could imply a ton of different things. You also followed that with "Sony isn't stupid anymore." Which makes no sense and is an unfounded addition. Why would Sony risk more profits just to compete with a $99 360? The simple matter is that if they were "smart" they wouldn't. Much like the 360 hasn't matched any of the recent price cuts Sony made within the last 5 years and yet they remained incredibly competitive in yearly sales. Had the 360 kept cutting prices to match Sony the 360 would and should have already been $99. It is a lot cheaper to produce than the PS3. Instead MS chose to focus on profits which from a business standpoint sounds a whole lot "smarter" than slashing your price every time your competitor does.

Regardless, though, a $99 Xbox 360 would drastically outperform a PS3 at ~$200+. The current PS3 SKU's are only $49 more than the basic stripped down 4GB 360 console at $199.

"Superior product" is also an opinion based statement and varies from person to person. Yes, the PS3 is slightly more powerful and has Blu-ray, that's it. A "more expensive" product is an accurate and bias free statement regarding our current conversation.

Cheaper products don't tend to receive slashed prices if the more expensive competitor does. That'd be admitting your product is inferior. If MS felt that a price cut were necessary, they would. Obviously they either couldn't afford it, or the comepition's cut didn't do much to affect sales negatively.

$99 xbox would not outperform a $200 ps3. PS3 has better legs as is confirmed by the current sales with the more expensive product.

It's obviously superior, the sales reflect that. It has been the more expensive of the two units for its entire time on the market, yet the sales are virtually equal. 

May I remind you that PS3 has had a $100 drop in 2009, with another $50 drop in 2011 with a slim redesign in 2012. 360 has had a price drop in 2008 with a slim redesign/peripheral in 2010. PS3 is the one dropping in price to maintain such sales. MS have waited until the last possible moments to price cut, getting as much profit as they could.

A $99 Xbox would outperofrm a $200 PS3, as statistically NA has a wide gap, mainland European sales are slightly below PS3 sales, UK favors 360, and Japan PS3 sales can't compensate (referring to Summer 07 and Fall 08, the two times 360 price dropped).

Superior or not will always be subjective. Always.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

dsgrue3 said:

PS3 will pass 360 in sales regardless of what price it is.
360 cuts = PS3 cuts.
Sony isn't stupid anymore.


lol



J_Allard said:
JoeTheBro said:

Yeah cause it's not like this already hasn't happened...

Sure it was on contract but it didn't make sales explode. Why would this be any better since people buy gold anyway?

Try going into a Best Buy, Walmart, or TRU store and seeing any kind of advertisement for that deal. I know I sure haven't seen one. Furthermore it's not available at all retailers and requires a credit check/2 year contract.

Not even remotely close to just strolling into a store and asking the clerk to grab you a $99 Xbox.

It's an old promotion that at the time was pretty well advertized. Of course a no catch $99 system would do better, but it's somewhat already been tried.



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JoeTheBro said:
J_Allard said:
JoeTheBro said:

Yeah cause it's not like this already hasn't happened...

Sure it was on contract but it didn't make sales explode. Why would this be any better since people buy gold anyway?

Try going into a Best Buy, Walmart, or TRU store and seeing any kind of advertisement for that deal. I know I sure haven't seen one. Furthermore it's not available at all retailers and requires a credit check/2 year contract.

Not even remotely close to just strolling into a store and asking the clerk to grab you a $99 Xbox.

It's an old promotion that at the time was pretty well advertized. Of course a no catch $99 system would do better, but it's somewhat already been tried.

No, it has not been tried. Not globally, not with every retailer, and its a hassle getting a credit check/ filling out forms as opposed to just walking into a store and buying it for $99 and thats it.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

why buy a 360 now? I guess they might as well since the next xbox isn't backwards compatible.



nightsurge said:
Better legs? The 360 is still going strong and is a full year older!

Also, pretty much this entire generation after 2007 the PS3 and 360 have been the same price. The Core/Arcade cheaper 360 sku was never the big seller of the SKU's as apparent by a $280 average selling price when comparing the $199/299 models. That means 4 out of 5 360's purchased were the more expensive SKU's which were constantly set at the SAME PRICE as the PS3 SKU's. To match or even exceed the sales of your competitor when your prices are the virtually the same and your competitor even offers some additional hardware, now that's extraordinary and that's what the 360 has done this whole time.

Now, I will say if the $99 360 is just the 4GB arcade, it will have a much lesser affect than a $99 250GB 360 would. No matter what, though, it would put the sales back in line with the 360 outselling the PS3 consistently because the price points would finally be where they should have been a year or two ago. The 360 should have always maintained pricing that was drastically lower than the PS3, yet instead they matched pricing on their main SKU's the majority of their lifetimes.

In the end, it paid off for Microsoft in the form of great profits even during heavy R&D periods for their "NextBox". Where MS has made back all their money from the 360's initial losses and begun to dig into the original Xbox's losses, the PS3 still hasn't started fighting back the red ink.

Better legs was a poor statement - it has more momentum as this generation dies.

I don't care to debate model pricing. We don't differentiate between the arcade and pro models, so I'm not sure why you state that with any fortitude. PS3 has always had the more expensive base model.

I don't believe a price cut from either company will do much to prolong this generation. The amount of the price cut is irrelevant. 

sales2099 said:

A $99 Xbox would outperofrm a $200 PS3, as statistically NA has a wide gap, mainland European sales are slightly below PS3 sales, UK favors 360, and Japan PS3 sales can't compensate (referring to Summer 07 and Fall 08, the two times 360 price dropped).

Superior or not will always be subjective. Always.

Disagree.

Superiority can be measured objectively. Let's look at the facts at what you get from your basic models:

PS3- free online, bluray, plays games

360 - paid online, no bluray, plays games

Pretty clear.



gooch_destroyer said:
why buy a 360 now? I guess they might as well since the next xbox isn't backwards compatible.


Ask the 80k ppl weekly why.



walsufnir said:
gooch_destroyer said:
why buy a 360 now? I guess they might as well since the next xbox isn't backwards compatible.


Ask the 80k ppl weekly why.


let me ask you then...