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Real or not, Jesus is the most influencial Human in history! If you deny that you are lying to yourself-

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Most influencial?

Obama 10 3.82%
 
Greg Johnson 2 0.76%
 
Elvis 6 2.29%
 
Karl Marx 12 4.58%
 
Benji Franklin 5 1.91%
 
Jesus 140 53.44%
 
Shakespear 6 2.29%
 
Mel Gibson 11 4.20%
 
Islam God, do not want to... 25 9.54%
 
Other ( Post below fake internet friends!) 43 16.41%
 
Total:260
Mazty said:
spurgeonryan said:
Mazty said:

This is so wrong....

Your first and crucial mistake is pinning a set of beliefs and works (The Bible) on a guy called Jesus. He didn't write the Bible. Most of the stories are either nonsense or hear say written decades and centuries later. 

This guy, Constantine the Great, was the guy who actually organised the Bible to be written, ergo he is the most influential person if you believe Christianity is what has formed most of the last two millenia of morality. 

And then we can easily just as well argue that who actually created Christianity wasn't the above guy, but this one:

Plato. It's often said that his take on morality was the foundational ideas of Christianity. 

Education over. 

Moses wrote parts of the bible, as did Apostles of Jesus. You could also even say that King James is more influencial since he made the most sought after book of all time? Or what about Martin Luther who made the Bible available to the masses to actualy understand?

 

Is your post education or something you stole from Dan Brown?


You got proof that Moses wrote part of the Bible? No? Thought as much. And no, King James did not create the Bible:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Bibles_of_Constantine

You clearly are mixing religious belief with reality. Fact is the Bible was written not by Jesus, and whether any of it is true or not is unknown. What we do know is that in 325AD a council near enough created modern day Christianity:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

You can still be a Christian and accept how it was made btw.

The old Testament was written before either Plato or Constantine, and Jesus was referenced in EVERY book of the bible(bet you didn't know that:P)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls



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people who are more influential from the top of my head:

Michael Jackson
Walter White
Jay-Z
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Hironobu Sakaguchi
John Locke



perpride said:
people who are more influential from the top of my head:

Michael Jackson
Walter White
Jay-Z
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Hironobu Sakaguchi
John Locke


James Marsden, Craig Snow, Brett Walton, Sam  Cassel, Sam Neil, Dr. Moreaux, Helen Hunt, Tim Allen ( pre- Toy Story), Wilford Brimley.

 

@ Guy who is arguing with me. umm..........Who wrote the first five books of the bible then? God?



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perpride said:
people who are more influential from the top of my head:

Michael Jackson
Walter White
Jay-Z
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Hironobu Sakaguchi
John Locke


I'm sorry but none of these people were the subjects of religions which affect politics to the degree that Christianity does.  Michael Jordon is a cool guy and all but he's not the reason "In God we Trust" is on all the money in the US.  



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perpride said:
people who are more influential from the top of my head:

Michael Jackson
Walter White
Jay-Z
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Hironobu Sakaguchi
John Locke

That list is pretty bad. I would say Hitler is more influential than all of those and isn't even as influential as Jesus. Also, Thomas Aquinas or Decartes is probably more influential than John Locke.



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spurgeonryan said:
perpride said:
people who are more influential from the top of my head:

Michael Jackson
Walter White
Jay-Z
Michael Jordan
Wayne Gretzky
Hironobu Sakaguchi
John Locke


James Marsden, Craig Snow, Brett Walton, Sam  Cassel, Sam Neil, Dr. Moreaux, Helen Hunt, Tim Allen ( pre- Toy Story), Wilford Brimley.

 

@ Guy who is arguing with me. umm..........Who wrote the first five books of the bible then? God?


Jahwist, Elohist, Priestly, and Dueterotomists. (JEDP) wrote the Pentateuch/Law/Torah



What about:

Buddha (mentioned before)
Genghis Khan
Whoever invented electricity
Whoever invented the french revolution
Whoever invented beer



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Many people have chosen different people to Jesus as the most infuential in history. Take this example. He only comes 3rd:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_100:_A_Ranking_of_the_Most_Influential_Persons_in_History



BenVTrigger said:
No, historical evidence.

The fact that during the time of Jesus life and death there were pretty much zero debate in the area whether Jesus lived and was crucified. There was heavy debate over whether he was a man or God but pretty much everyone agreed he was real 

Im not even Christian but to say he didnt exist is frankly naive or hoping he didnt exist due to personal belief or bias

There is no contemporary historical evidence. Sorry, you're clearly misinformed here.

JakDaSnack said:
"Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed,[1][2][3][4] and although there is little agreement on the historicity of gospel narratives and their theological assertions of his divinity,[5][6][7][8] biblical scholars andclassical historians regard theories of his non-existence as effectively refuted."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

From my experience, the only people who say that Jesus did not exist are ignorant Atheists who refuse to accept that truth.  Not saying that that's you, just saying that the majority of Atheists i've encountered online, appear to be ignorant on that topic.

See above. I don't care what some mindless book-peddler thinks. (Check your sources, all of them are from authors.)