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badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

Much like how Rand Paul would've been excommunicated from the GOP or something if he had spoken against drones but 8 years earlier than he did. It's sad, but that's the way of it

I guess you haven't noticed that the establishment GOP hated him from the get-go, and they hate him even more after he pulled that stunt.

Thankfully, after over a decade of constant ORANGE ALERTZ there are a few libertarian Republicans around so he's not quite the pariah his father was. Also, he's not the political neophyte his dad was.

I'll be fair and say also that the cries of fascism will come upon drones scant weeks after the next Republican president gets inaugurated (likely 2016, unless they come up with a loser candidate again)



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Mr Khan said:

I'll be fair and say also that the cries of fascism will come upon drones scant weeks after the next Republican president gets inaugurated (likely 2016, unless they come up with a loser candidate again)

Probably. Save for a few sincere folks like Code Pink, the instantaneous evaporation of the "anti-war movement" in November 2008 was breathtaking to witness.



badgenome said:
Mr Khan said:

I'll be fair and say also that the cries of fascism will come upon drones scant weeks after the next Republican president gets inaugurated (likely 2016, unless they come up with a loser candidate again)

Probably. Save for a few sincere folks like Code Pink, the instantaneous evaporation of the "anti-war movement" in November 2008 was breathtaking to witness.

On the flip side, it was clear by then that Iraq was on its way down, and no-one ever seemed to care that much about the troops in Afghanistan.



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richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
Kasz216 said:
richardhutnik said:
ECM said:
Good job putting this guy back in office, Obama voters--he couldn't do this without you.

So, things would be better under Mitt Romney?  Is there some sort of progressive/liberal candidate out there that would actually oppose this, or some nationalistic party on the right who would have a candidate that would give a shot to it?

Really, what would Romney of done differently?

Romney would of been against this.

Republicans are pretty dead set against having anybody having juridicition over the US government.

Both parties have been greenlighting any form of free trade, or barriers to commerce.  Economic interests have superceded any form of individual and sovereign interests in America in Washington's economic policies.  It is in keeping with neo-liberal economic policies.

Not so far in they've given up soverignty.

The number one issue for conservatives have been soverignty.  Heck some bush officials were for leaving the UN.

They wouldn't compromise anything that would allow them to lean on other countries.

And how is this different?

http://www.ontheissues.org/celeb/George_W__Bush_Free_Trade.htm

http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary/item/4021-real-conservatives-oppose-nafta

 

While there are factions that are nationalistic in the GOP, economic realities of peace for multinational corporatism ends up overriding any nationalistic voice that may pop up in the GOP.


There was no ceded soveringty.    There is on paper sure... but the USA more or less dominates the NAFTA dispute resolution council due to it's influence.

I believe the US has never lost a case against them.  The same can't be said for Mexico  or Canada.  Despite the fact that the USA totally should have lost quite a few cases against them.

WTO  isn't quite as US controlled, espiecally vs Europeon Union interests.

Also, Bush =/= Romney.  Bush was a lot more neo-conservative like, and liberal in the strangest of ways.

 

Though I will note I wouldn't really consider "A government must stick to the contracts it agress  to" as a negative thing.



Mr Khan said:

On the flip side, it was clear by then that Iraq was on its way down, and no-one ever seemed to care that much about the troops in Afghanistan.

Fatalities for US troops in Afghanistan in 2009 were more than double what they were in 2008, spiked another 150% the following year, and have remained at elevated levels since. Support for the war is at an all time low. So why is there so little protest about the continuation of this fool's errand? Sure, it may be partially attributable to the old idea that Afghanistan is the "good war" and Iraq the "bad one." Iraq was certainly the bloodier one, but it's pretty conspicuous that with so many people expressing willingness to wash our hands of that awful place there is no anti-Afghan War movement to be seen.

I suspect a lot of this is media driven. The nightly reports of carnage from Iraq did sort of turn Afghanistan into the forgotten war, and that's pretty understandable if not entirely excusable, but there is no reason now for the media derps to fixate on such trivial things whether or not the state should give gay marriages its stamp of approval while completely ignoring a war. The media is populated largely by establishment Democrat types who saw the anti-war lot as useful once upon a time and gave them a massive amount of coverage, which drove more people (most of whom just didn't like Bush, basically) to show up at protests, which in turn justified even more coverage. But covering such protests now that they're smaller, and especially now that the right team is in the White House, is unsurprisingly not high up on the agenda. Neither is having a serious discussion about an issue that will just make it harder on their guy.



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So EA can open a branch in some country and forcibly legalize gay marriage?

EA: "If that's what makes this a bad treaty, bring it on."



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