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D-Minaj225 said:
i think DEALWITHIT will become a internet MEME for years to come


It's  already is (sort of) remember seeing a gif with somebody's face with sunglasses lowered to their eyes with words "Deal with it" flashes



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gooch_destroyer said:

Yeah the guy is still a dick though. But anyway, as long as you're connected to X-Box Live? so if I wanted to borrow game I can't...sorry for not understanding.

I can't comment on what features are or aren't available in Xbox 8, but if the DRM is the same as currently available on the Xbox 360, then YES you would be able to borrow a game.  If the DRM is extended to retail disc games, then it could be yes or no.  It really depends on how it's implemented.  It would be possible for Microsoft to allow a game to work unimpeded for a number of days without confirmation from a licensing server, so a gamer could lend a friend a game and have it work unimpeded.  If you wanted to continue to use the game, you could purchase a full license. 

Windows itself operates this way.  With an unauthorized license, Windows will function fully, but after x number of days will stop functioning.  Under this model you could even still have second-sales, though with limited value.  So instead of GameStop asking $55 on the resale of a new game, it may only be able to ask $10 or $5.00. 

The first effort Microsoft will make is to make piracy extremely difficult or impossible.  Once that hole is closed, then they'll assess the situation.

As for what Adam Orth said, I'm sure if we took conversations you've had we could find something that makes you look like a dick too.  Especially if we take the conversation out of context.  People have no problems with always connected devices, because most people use them on a daily basis.

A cable box is probably one of the best examples of a device I can think of.  Go unplug your cable box (if you have one), then try to see what's on after you plug it back in.  In most cases you'll need between 5 minutes to a day for all the channel information to download (technically overnight - not 24 hours).  Even despite you shutting "off" the cable box it's on and connected.  

I suspect that Xbox 8 will be similar.  With Skype being a major focus of the next console, that always online communication will be important.  Not necessarily to take a call, but you could be speaking withsome on your Windows 8 tablet, and "throw" the conversation to your Xbox console, bringing the console live and active.        



daveJ said:
Microsoft does not comment on rumours
So who is this guy?


This is Microsoft commenting on the conduct of one of their employee's, its nothing to do with rumour per say.  The company I work for take social networking very seriously and we are under strict guidance to not advertise who we work for or give the slightest indication that our opinion could be shared by the company.  People have been sacked before for publishing unsuitable comments.  It not only puts the company reputation in jeopardy but you can also put your trademarks at risk if you're not careful.  There is a reason large companies need marketing departments.



gooch_destroyer said:
D-Minaj225 said:
i think DEALWITHIT will become a internet MEME for years to come


It's  already is (sort of) remember seeing a gif with somebody's face with sunglasses lowered to their eyes with words "Deal with it" flashes


You're thinking of Jack Nicholson.



Gotta figure out how to set these up lol.

D-Minaj225 said:
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Nsanity said:
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teigaga said:
"It will take a lot more than this "fiasco" to get me to switch to the PS4."

Ewww, Microsoft has loyal fans? Why?

I guess they must really like Halo and Gears.


yeah, you know and others...with guns.

Forza has guns?


forgot about that...what i'm saying is why are those FPS so popular....can't they bring back Blinx or Voodoo Vince

It's a shame Blinx wasn't successful it had an interesting concept, there are no other games that features a time shifting orange cat lol

Don't fuck with Blinx!



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tonymarraffa said:
D-Minaj225 said:
gooch_destroyer said:
Nsanity said:
gooch_destroyer said:
teigaga said:
"It will take a lot more than this "fiasco" to get me to switch to the PS4."

Ewww, Microsoft has loyal fans? Why?

I guess they must really like Halo and Gears.


yeah, you know and others...with guns.

Forza has guns?


forgot about that...what i'm saying is why are those FPS so popular....can't they bring back Blinx or Voodoo Vince

It's a shame Blinx wasn't successful it had an interesting concept, there are no other games that features a time shifting orange cat lol

Don't fuck with Blinx!

I love Blinx I wish MS would bring it back and turn it into a franchise both games are underrated xbox gems



 

Adinnieken said:
gooch_destroyer said:

Yeah the guy is still a dick though. But anyway, as long as you're connected to X-Box Live? so if I wanted to borrow game I can't...sorry for not understanding.

I can't comment on what features are or aren't available in Xbox 8, but if the DRM is the same as currently available on the Xbox 360, then YES you would be able to borrow a game.  If the DRM is extended to retail disc games, then it could be yes or no.  It really depends on how it's implemented.  It would be possible for Microsoft to allow a game to work unimpeded for a number of days without confirmation from a licensing server, so a gamer could lend a friend a game and have it work unimpeded.  If you wanted to continue to use the game, you could purchase a full license. 

Windows itself operates this way.  With an unauthorized license, Windows will function fully, but after x number of days will stop functioning.  Under this model you could even still have second-sales, though with limited value.  So instead of GameStop asking $55 on the resale of a new game, it may only be able to ask $10 or $5.00. 

The first effort Microsoft will make is to make piracy extremely difficult or impossible.  Once that hole is closed, then they'll assess the situation.

As for what Adam Orth said, I'm sure if we took conversations you've had we could find something that makes you look like a dick too.  Especially if we take the conversation out of context.  People have no problems with always connected devices, because most people use them on a daily basis.

A cable box is probably one of the best examples of a device I can think of.  Go unplug your cable box (if you have one), then try to see what's on after you plug it back in.  In most cases you'll need between 5 minutes to a day for all the channel information to download (technically overnight - not 24 hours).  Even despite you shutting "off" the cable box it's on and connected.  

I suspect that Xbox 8 will be similar.  With Skype being a major focus of the next console, that always online communication will be important.  Not necessarily to take a call, but you could be speaking withsome on your Windows 8 tablet, and "throw" the conversation to your Xbox console, bringing the console live and active.        

I see. so it seems like the Xbox  will have a windows 8 interface. and basiclly when I borrow a game for a friend, it be like a trial?



Dusk said:


http://playeressence.com/always-on-internet-connection-for-xbox-720-basically-confirmed-by-ms-exec/

 

Not sure who you are talking about but I was talking about Adam Orth as he is the one that stated this stuff on his twitter account. Although there is back and forth between Orth and Manveer and they said they were trolling each other (odd) but none the less, that is where my information was from.

Edit: ohhh, lol. Had to re-read my post. Right, The Workshop Experience. Either way, it was posted, and it was a quote. Althought the games mentioned were multi plat so there must have been some connection with MS.

Again, he neither confirms nor denies a feature in the Xbox 8.  He simply states he doesn't understand why, in this day and age, anyone would have a problem with an always on console.  Which, is different than always online. 

Always ON means the device is always powered, even if on low power.  A cable box operates this way.  Most phones and tablets are never turned off, but rather maintain a low-power state until they're used.  Many people operate their computers and laptops in a low-power state for faster booting and quicker access.  Always ON is not a boogey man.  It just means the device will exist in a low-power state when the user "turns it off".  The PS4 will likely offer something similar.

Even Always Online is not the boogey man that people are attempting to make it out to be.  The Xbox 8 will have features that benefit from an always on, always connected device.  If the user doesn't use them, it's not going to be a major issue.  If the user does however, then it could offer very slick functionality.

Consider a world where someone doesn't have phone service, but instead has a phone line through Skype (VOIP) and thus uses Skype on all their connected devices.  Windows PCs, Tablets, Phones, etc.  That functionality would likewise be available for the Xbox 8 console too, giving people the abililty to easily hold a conversation from the couch.  Doesn't matter if it's video or voice only.

So, in that scenario, it'd be beneficial to have an always on, always connected device that way when a call came in the person could "answer" it.

Socery was not a multiplatform game.  It was a PS3 game.



gooch_destroyer said:

I see. so it seems like the Xbox  will have a windows 8 interface. and basiclly when I borrow a game for a friend, it be like a trial?

The Xbox 360 has a Metro (Windows 8) interface.  You're reaching for something and you won't grab it.

No.  That isn't what I said.  I said it depends on how they implement it.  There are several possibilities.



Adinnieken said:
gooch_destroyer said:

I see. so it seems like the Xbox  will have a windows 8 interface. and basiclly when I borrow a game for a friend, it be like a trial?

The Xbox 360 has a Metro (Windows 8) interface.  You're reaching for something and you won't grab it.

No.  That isn't what I said.  I said it depends on how they implement it.  There are several possibilities.


oh. I guess I didn't notice it on my friends xbox. I was thinking about an updated version of it.