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Who is the most arrogant idiot?

Nintendo - discs are for ... 16 13.01%
 
Sony - people will pay wh... 41 33.33%
 
Microsoft - we want to wa... 48 39.02%
 
Atari - ET!! 18 14.63%
 
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kowenicki said:
Could not give a shite either way. I'm always online.

My sky TV is always online, my smart TV itself is always online, my laptop is always online, my tablets and phones are always online, my music streaming system is always online.

If my xbox or PS4 too are to be always online then whatever, if they aren't... again, whatever.

"I'm good and have no problems, others should do the same otherwise i don't give a shite"

If the world was full of people like you we would have destroyed ourselves centuries ago.



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I can sum up the mistakes better:

 

1. Nintendo's retro cartridge-based N64 - while CDs were already out and plenty.  16 MB typiacl storage capacity, compared to the CD's 650 MB. 

2. Nintendo's self-imposed monopoly on cartridge-manufacturing on its Nintendo 64.  Not only is it not CD-based, but the developers also have to buy the cartridges for $10 each from Nitnendo, who makes them.  Nintendo cost itself the market there.  Playstation - CD-based, $1 each, no monopoly on CD manufacturing.  

3. Microsoft's incredibly costly entry into the console market in 2001.  Billions invested without even establishing a market.  $1.5 billion or so on an internet framework.  

4.  Sega's Saturn monstrosity.  $400, several CPUs and GPUs.  

5.  Lack of game development for Gamecube and now Wii U, caused by lack of financial investment in software development by Nintendo.  

6.  Xbox 360 - another console by Microsoft despite overwhelming financial losses on their first.  And reality law-breaking influence to make it succeed.

7.  Wii U - extremely outdated, very costy.  $365.94 - that's a lot of money for a system with a vastly outdated architecture.  12.4 GB/s system memory, 300 GFLOPS GPU.  300 GFLOPS is only slightly better then Xbox 360.  

8.  Playstation 3's Blu-Ray.  Very costly at $100, doesn't improve the visual quality of the game.  It could've cost $400 at launch instead of $500, and looked identical.  

9.  Playstation 4's Blu-Ray.  Very costly at $50, doesn't improve the visual quality of the game.  High-density DVD is enough, and would probably be $40 cheaper.

10. Playstation 4's 8 CPUs.  Very hard to use.  2 CPUs is enough, and would cost 1/4 the price - $15 instead of say $60.   

11. Playstation 4's 8 GB RAM.  Would take 10 minutes to load that much data.  2 GB is enough, and would cost 1/4 the price, say $15 instead of $60.00.  

Thus Playstation 4 could easily be $125.00 cheaper, and have games which look identical.  Say $275.00 instead of $400.00.



burninmylight said:
sales2099 said:
Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:
Im starting to see the point of the Xbox Online connection. Your phone is always connected to your providers network, your cable box is always connected, so why not Xbox?

Since when do we care what less developed countries can or can't do with Xbox, so long as we ourselves have it? Since when did selfish and fan centric gamers care about less fortunate? lol please....this is yet another excuse to bash MS when the issue doesn't effect people here...since we all have internet to be able to post here.

MS can easily do a firmware update or make it optional in countries that have spotty internet anyway.

Personally I don't want to be dependend on my or a companies servers' internet connection to just play some console games.

Ya, I agree we should play a game offline regardless of connection and it should be allowed, good thing that is something that can be easily remedied with a simple firmware update.

So  you pretty much agree that a console that must always be online is a bad idea and there's nothing wrong with us consumers wanting to keep our rights that we've enjoyed the past 40 years as gamers. How does that not contradict your first post?

Its a bad idea when trying to play a offline game. It is doable to be always on but have a seperate mode for when you just want to play a single player game. Keep our rights........shouldnt you be "occupying" something? :P



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burninmylight said:
Areym said:
sales2099 said:
Im starting to see the point of the Xbox Online connection. Your phone is always connected to your providers network, your cable box is always connected, so why not Xbox?

Since when do we care what less developed countries can or can't do with Xbox, so long as we ourselves have it? Since when did selfish and fan centric gamers care about less fortunate? lol please....this is yet another excuse to bash MS when the issue doesn't effect people here...since we all have internet to be able to post here.

MS can easily do a firmware update or make it optional in countries that have spotty internet anyway.


I knew xbox fans would start defending the always-connected thing, granted it is still just a rumor and i HIGHLY doubt it's true. It was only a matter of time. It's a stupid,no matter how you spin it, don't fool yourself.

This. The brainwashing begins.

I could say the same about Sony towards its fans, but thats another thread.



Xbox: Best hardware, Game Pass best value, best BC, more 1st party genres and multiplayer titles. 

 

Somini said:
kowenicki said:
Could not give a shite either way. I'm always online.

My sky TV is always online, my smart TV itself is always online, my laptop is always online, my tablets and phones are always online, my music streaming system is always online.

If my xbox or PS4 too are to be always online then whatever, if they aren't... again, whatever.

"I'm good and have no problems, others should do the same otherwise i don't give a shite"

If the world was full of people like you we would have destroyed ourselves centuries ago.

This isn't about human rights or wars....this is about playing video games.....a distraction from our daily lives.

His opinion is justified given the trivial nature of our hobby in the grand scope of life.

Stop pretending you care, stop being fake like your part of the popular girl group in highschool (lol). Gamers aren't humanitarians.....gaming is selfish in nature.



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OT: Hard to say who screwed up harder between Nintendo and Sony. Nintendo has never been able to win back the core gaming crowd or the big million-seller franchises like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear or Castlevania. If the N64 had used a disc format, that generation may have been more akin to the SNES/Genesis era.

My inital thought was that Sony's screw up with the PS3 was less hurtful, but you have to remember that it had the video game industry by the balls with the PS2. It lost tons of marketshare and took its foot off the necks of Nintendo and Microsoft, but more importantly, it lost tons of money! Anyone recall that chart showing how Sony blew through all the profit from PS1 and PS2 combined from the PS3 blunder? Combine that with its struggles in other divisions, and you have a corporation in big trouble, and very little margin for error.



sales2099 said:
burninmylight said:
sales2099 said:
Lafiel said:
sales2099 said:
Im starting to see the point of the Xbox Online connection. Your phone is always connected to your providers network, your cable box is always connected, so why not Xbox?

Since when do we care what less developed countries can or can't do with Xbox, so long as we ourselves have it? Since when did selfish and fan centric gamers care about less fortunate? lol please....this is yet another excuse to bash MS when the issue doesn't effect people here...since we all have internet to be able to post here.

MS can easily do a firmware update or make it optional in countries that have spotty internet anyway.

Personally I don't want to be dependend on my or a companies servers' internet connection to just play some console games.

Ya, I agree we should play a game offline regardless of connection and it should be allowed, good thing that is something that can be easily remedied with a simple firmware update.

So  you pretty much agree that a console that must always be online is a bad idea and there's nothing wrong with us consumers wanting to keep our rights that we've enjoyed the past 40 years as gamers. How does that not contradict your first post?

Its a bad idea when trying to play a offline game. It is doable to be always on but have a seperate mode for when you just want to play a single player game. Keep our rights........shouldnt you be "occupying" something? :P


A seperate mode for when you want to play a single player game. If Nintendo made a console that required you to go into a seperate mode just to play a single player game, you'd be telling it to get out of the dark ages.



sales2099 said:
burninmylight said:
Areym said:
sales2099 said:
Im starting to see the point of the Xbox Online connection. Your phone is always connected to your providers network, your cable box is always connected, so why not Xbox?

Since when do we care what less developed countries can or can't do with Xbox, so long as we ourselves have it? Since when did selfish and fan centric gamers care about less fortunate? lol please....this is yet another excuse to bash MS when the issue doesn't effect people here...since we all have internet to be able to post here.

MS can easily do a firmware update or make it optional in countries that have spotty internet anyway.


I knew xbox fans would start defending the always-connected thing, granted it is still just a rumor and i HIGHLY doubt it's true. It was only a matter of time. It's a stupid,no matter how you spin it, don't fool yourself.

This. The brainwashing begins.

I could say the same about Sony towards its fans, but thats another thread.

And Nintendo fans and Apple fans too. But I don't see Sony or Nintendo fans trying to selfishly justify uneccesary DRM that's just a rumor at this point.



I think I would say if you look at games in isolation, the Sony screw up was the biggest, just because it was uncalled for and the results were cataclysmic. They didn't need the blue ray. Nintendo tried to have CDRom, they just messed up.

However, if you take into account that the the PS3 helped kill HD-DVD, in the big picture Sony might be OK with halving their install base if it accomplished the greater goal. In that sense, Nintendos screw up was bigger because it didn't accomplish anything at all, and cost them billions.



OP: Why are you using rumors about possible but not confirmed hardware architecture as a mistake for MS instead of the incredibly shameful RROD/disc scratch/overall worst hardware quality ever seen with subsequent billions in losses and massive loss of consumer trust and possible support and sales?

With that thrown in there instead, I'd say they are all pretty much evenly matched, allthough I would like to add that the Wii U is probably just as big a mistake as the N64 was in its time when it comes to design and aim.