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Torillian on 04 April 2013
pezus said:
Torillian said:
The simple answer is that we've never banned discussion of any non-pornographic site on VGC as far as I recall. And personally that's the way I'd prefer it stay.

Torrent sites, actually. And ROM sites


Fair point, knew I'd forget something.

So other than Porn and sites meant for you to steal games we don't ban sites.  



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ethomaz on 04 April 2013

Anyway if we ban NeoGAF... where we will find all information and current data sales commenting on the forums here?

This forum needs GAF to continue living... GAF is a important part of VGChartz community.



Kasz216 on 04 April 2013
Torillian said:
pezus said:
Torillian said:
The simple answer is that we've never banned discussion of any non-pornographic site on VGC as far as I recall. And personally that's the way I'd prefer it stay.

Torrent sites, actually. And ROM sites


Fair point, knew I'd forget something.

So other than Porn and sites meant for you to steal games we don't ban sites.  


Actually i'm pretty sure we expanded that to all copyright infringement.  Since it only being games didn't make sense.



Deyon on 04 April 2013
ethomaz said:

Anyway if we ban NeoGAF... where we will find all information and current data sales commenting on the forums here?

This forum needs GAF to continue living... GAF is a important part of VGChartz community.

I don't care if the news came first from neogaf, just wait till other websites pick it up and link those sites.



Turkish on 04 April 2013
ethomaz said:
amp316 said:
Soriku said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Would be a waste of time. If they want to be ignorant then let them be as it is always better to take the high road. Although, can someone explain as to why they have such a "hate on" for this site?


Unreliable sales numbers from VGC.

It's actually because Brett (ioi) has some bad history with them, but I'm not telling that story...

That is not only that... the battle between gaf and ioi was happened before PS3 or Wii was launched... VGC was created by ioi to confirm to GAF that his estimations were reliable and accurate.

But the numbers in VGC never proved to be accurate (the contrary happened) and all the adjustments (overtracked, undertracked) help to make the VGC even more like a joke in GAF than a trusted source.

ioi was banned from GAF because it was a troll (sorry).

After that a lot of users in VGC caused trouble in GAF trying to use the VGC numbers there... this happened over and over so the GAF decided to ban any alussion to VGC numbers... they works only with OFFICIAL numbers released by companies or OFFICIAL trackers like NPD, Media Create, etc.

In fact the numbers in GAF was always more accurate than VGC... VGC uses a lot os numbers released by GAF to make adjustments here but VGC had a good weekly estimation... so it is funny and ioi adjust the numbers when the official one are released.

So if you want a good weekly estimation for the VG sales... use VGC... but it is that... only estimations.

I'm here because I like to talk about these estimations every week but VGC will be never a trusted source for sales .

ANYWAY: Talk about vgchartz in GAF is not banable... use we numbers there is banable.

 

-This user was moderated for calling ioi a troll.  Do I need to say more? 

Interesting, looking at his last posts and threads on gaf, he was promoting this site there



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badgenome on 04 April 2013
Carl2291 said:
Because we arent pathetic.

Speak for yourself.



vic_viper on 04 April 2013

Gaf is great. Lots of people that are actually in the industry and know what they're talking about. Godhand and Platinum fans, lots of great pointers on retro and Japanese gaming. This forum was pretty cool years ago, now it's just chock full of pleb gamers and nsfw threads and Halo/God of War fans. This place is a running gag on N4g, Gaf, 4chan, pretty much any major gaming site and not just because of inaccurate sales data.



Kasz216 on 04 April 2013
ethomaz said:
amp316 said:
Soriku said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Would be a waste of time. If they want to be ignorant then let them be as it is always better to take the high road. Although, can someone explain as to why they have such a "hate on" for this site?


Unreliable sales numbers from VGC.

It's actually because Brett (ioi) has some bad history with them, but I'm not telling that story...

That is not only that... the battle between gaf and ioi was happened before PS3 or Wii was launched... VGC was created by ioi to confirm to GAF that his estimations were reliable and accurate.

But the numbers in VGC never proved to be accurate (the contrary happened) and all the adjustments (overtracked, undertracked) help to make the VGC even more like a joke in GAF than a trusted source.

ioi was banned from GAF because it was a troll (sorry).e? 


Well... except for the part where his numbers generally are accurate statistically.   There are adjustments?  Sure... everyone has adjustments though.  Including Mediacrate/NPD etc.

The difference is their adjustments happen behind the scenes only to paying customers.

If you ever add up montly, and then compare what they report for total sales you'll notice it never adds up.

 

So... if that's why they banned vgchartz numbers... they did so out of ignorance to how statisitcs work.



WagnerPaiva on 04 April 2013
Deyon said:

neogaf bans anyone who talks about our beloved site. They treat us like crap, like were the scum of the interwebs.

Why the hell are we not fighting back? We should ban their asses and show them who's the boss.


Let´s do it. Oh wait, I am not a Mod =/ Someone else, do it!



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amp316 on 04 April 2013
Turkish said:
ethomaz said:
amp316 said:
Soriku said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Would be a waste of time. If they want to be ignorant then let them be as it is always better to take the high road. Although, can someone explain as to why they have such a "hate on" for this site?


Unreliable sales numbers from VGC.

It's actually because Brett (ioi) has some bad history with them, but I'm not telling that story...

That is not only that... the battle between gaf and ioi was happened before PS3 or Wii was launched... VGC was created by ioi to confirm to GAF that his estimations were reliable and accurate.

But the numbers in VGC never proved to be accurate (the contrary happened) and all the adjustments (overtracked, undertracked) help to make the VGC even more like a joke in GAF than a trusted source.

ioi was banned from GAF because it was a troll (sorry).

After that a lot of users in VGC caused trouble in GAF trying to use the VGC numbers there... this happened over and over so the GAF decided to ban any alussion to VGC numbers... they works only with OFFICIAL numbers released by companies or OFFICIAL trackers like NPD, Media Create, etc.

In fact the numbers in GAF was always more accurate than VGC... VGC uses a lot os numbers released by GAF to make adjustments here but VGC had a good weekly estimation... so it is funny and ioi adjust the numbers when the official one are released.

So if you want a good weekly estimation for the VG sales... use VGC... but it is that... only estimations.

I'm here because I like to talk about these estimations every week but VGC will be never a trusted source for sales .

ANYWAY: Talk about vgchartz in GAF is not banable... use we numbers there is banable.

 

-This user was moderated for calling ioi a troll.  Do I need to say more? 

Interesting, looking at his last posts and threads on gaf, he was promoting this site there

I banned him for violating Rule #11 (flaming due to website criticism of website employees) which is exactly what will happen to you if you don't stop immediately. 



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