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Jimmy_Rustler on 03 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jimmy_Rustler said:
KylieDog said:
Xxain said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xxain said:
It is never the fans fault for not supporting something they dont want. Devil May Cry fans wanted Sonic the Hedgehog. They got Sonic and the Secret Rings. Hopefully you catch my drift. Japanese developers need to focus on delivering with fans want and less on what they dont. Now Im saying games should be made solely for the fans. They have to continue to expand and grow it, but DmC was grown in a way that in attracted no one.

That bull and you know it. DmC has a style that a lot of people like but a good chunk of the people who play it will buy it used. The new DMC had more contact and depth to the combat style than even MGR. Narrative style Hack N Slash titles are growing in profits away from the old Japanese style thanks to games like GOW. Even Platinum themselves will have to learn to increase the quality of their narrative to buffer the awesome hack n slash action from point A to point B. Everyone knows from Ninja Theory's mission statement that their main goal is to make Story based action/adventure games. The game was boycotted intentionally. Ninja Theory was better off working with Sony and making new IP's for them that dont step on the toes of niche franchises like DMC.


What exactly is bull? Im not quite sure what alot of your post has to do with what I posted. I dont think a more story based DmC was the problem because DMC's all over place mythos is actually a big criticism from fans. The game sure was boycotted. Why? Nobody wanted it obviously. Im not understanding what your getting at.

Story was a problem because it was a entire new story, not a continuation of the old series.

Lets face it, until near release the hatestorm was entirely new Dante focused, then as got nearer release only then did other criticisms emerge, the only valid one really being going for 60 to 30fps, but that hardly makes or breaks a game.


Well duh.

NT shows us new Donte, he sucks.

NT shows us gameplay, it sucks.

NT shows us story, it sucks.

NT shows us rich narrative, FUCK YOU.

You're asking me to form criticisms of a game before playing the game. Do you even think before you type?


It was a great start, Inafune only so much. You could tell they were building up to a second game to give Dante newer moves and much, much more as far as the story. Have you played the game? The metacritic is also higher on the PS3 and 360 than Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Reviewers even know that anything that stood in the way of sales of this game was truly a mass boycott.


You were saying? Oh by the way Metal Gear Rising also sold more copies.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 03 April 2013
Xxain said:
KylieDog said:
Xxain said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xxain said:
It is never the fans fault for not supporting something they dont want. Devil May Cry fans wanted Sonic the Hedgehog. They got Sonic and the Secret Rings. Hopefully you catch my drift. Japanese developers need to focus on delivering with fans want and less on what they dont. Now Im saying games should be made solely for the fans. They have to continue to expand and grow it, but DmC was grown in a way that in attracted no one.

That bull and you know it. DmC has a style that a lot of people like but a good chunk of the people who play it will buy it used. The new DMC had more contact and depth to the combat style than even MGR. Narrative style Hack N Slash titles are growing in profits away from the old Japanese style thanks to games like GOW. Even Platinum themselves will have to learn to increase the quality of their narrative to buffer the awesome hack n slash action from point A to point B. Everyone knows from Ninja Theory's mission statement that their main goal is to make Story based action/adventure games. The game was boycotted intentionally. Ninja Theory was better off working with Sony and making new IP's for them that dont step on the toes of niche franchises like DMC.


What exactly is bull? Im not quite sure what alot of your post has to do with what I posted. I dont think a more story based DmC was the problem because DMC's all over place mythos is actually a big criticism from fans. The game sure was boycotted. Why? Nobody wanted it obviously. Im not understanding what your getting at.

Story was a problem because it was a entire new story, not a continuation of the old series.

Lets face it, until near release the hatestorm was entirely new Dante focused, then as got nearer release only then did other criticisms emerge, the only valid one really being going for 60 to 30fps, but that hardly makes or breaks a game.


Story has been a problem for DMC series as whole. It was main complaint in DMC4. The story/mythos of DMC is one of the reasons why CAPCOM wanted to reboot it in the first place. They said they couldn't figure out where to go next. Your still right about people not being happy with DmC continuing the the old canon but what does that add up to? Again, people wanted old DMC. Of course the rage was placed on Dante initially, it was only thing shown for almost a year and in that reveal trailer Dante looked horrid. As more things got revealed more things took the center stage.


Inafune was complaing about capcom and the Japanese not heeding the advances of the west in story and gameplay. Capcom did him one better and hired a western company dedicated to storylines and action in games after Inafune left but restarted the franchise from scratch so it could better serve the franchise. Tomb Raider was rebooted and isnt very much like the old ones at all, yet wheres the hate?



Xxain on 03 April 2013

@Stage -Even through the reboot Tomb Raider is still instantly recognizable. DmC is not. Its almost like another game. CAPCOM's ex employee Seth Killian said it best. People dont want brand new. They want 70% of what they know and 30% new. Tomb Raider meets that break up. DmC does not.



S.T.A.G.E. on 03 April 2013
Jimmy_Rustler said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jimmy_Rustler said:
KylieDog said:
Xxain said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xxain said:
It is never the fans fault for not supporting something they dont want. Devil May Cry fans wanted Sonic the Hedgehog. They got Sonic and the Secret Rings. Hopefully you catch my drift. Japanese developers need to focus on delivering with fans want and less on what they dont. Now Im saying games should be made solely for the fans. They have to continue to expand and grow it, but DmC was grown in a way that in attracted no one.

That bull and you know it. DmC has a style that a lot of people like but a good chunk of the people who play it will buy it used. The new DMC had more contact and depth to the combat style than even MGR. Narrative style Hack N Slash titles are growing in profits away from the old Japanese style thanks to games like GOW. Even Platinum themselves will have to learn to increase the quality of their narrative to buffer the awesome hack n slash action from point A to point B. Everyone knows from Ninja Theory's mission statement that their main goal is to make Story based action/adventure games. The game was boycotted intentionally. Ninja Theory was better off working with Sony and making new IP's for them that dont step on the toes of niche franchises like DMC.


What exactly is bull? Im not quite sure what alot of your post has to do with what I posted. I dont think a more story based DmC was the problem because DMC's all over place mythos is actually a big criticism from fans. The game sure was boycotted. Why? Nobody wanted it obviously. Im not understanding what your getting at.

Story was a problem because it was a entire new story, not a continuation of the old series.

Lets face it, until near release the hatestorm was entirely new Dante focused, then as got nearer release only then did other criticisms emerge, the only valid one really being going for 60 to 30fps, but that hardly makes or breaks a game.


Well duh.

NT shows us new Donte, he sucks.

NT shows us gameplay, it sucks.

NT shows us story, it sucks.

NT shows us rich narrative, FUCK YOU.

You're asking me to form criticisms of a game before playing the game. Do you even think before you type?


It was a great start, Inafune only so much. You could tell they were building up to a second game to give Dante newer moves and much, much more as far as the story. Have you played the game? The metacritic is also higher on the PS3 and 360 than Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Reviewers even know that anything that stood in the way of sales of this game was truly a mass boycott.


You were saying? Oh by the way Metal Gear Rising also sold more copies.


.....This argument holds no weight. You're proving exactly why you're wrong. Look at how many 0 to 3 scores the game got from the user scores. The game was sabotaged from the start. Reviewers in unison rated the game higher than Revengeance and it deserves it from story, to the amount of moves in the gameplay and replay value, including DLC. Over thirty hours worth of stuff in this game and people still complain. 



S.T.A.G.E. on 03 April 2013
Xxain said:
@Stage -Even through the reboot Tomb Raider is still instantly recognizable. DmC is not. Its almost like another game. CAPCOM's ex employee Seth Killian said it best. People dont want brand new. They want 70% of what they know and 30% new. Tomb Raider meets that break up. DmC does not.


DMC in gameplay looks more like the old DMC than the new Tomb Raider looks like its predecessor. Both great reboots, but still, seriously.



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Jimmy_Rustler on 03 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jimmy_Rustler said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Jimmy_Rustler said:
KylieDog said:
Xxain said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xxain said:
It is never the fans fault for not supporting something they dont want. Devil May Cry fans wanted Sonic the Hedgehog. They got Sonic and the Secret Rings. Hopefully you catch my drift. Japanese developers need to focus on delivering with fans want and less on what they dont. Now Im saying games should be made solely for the fans. They have to continue to expand and grow it, but DmC was grown in a way that in attracted no one.

That bull and you know it. DmC has a style that a lot of people like but a good chunk of the people who play it will buy it used. The new DMC had more contact and depth to the combat style than even MGR. Narrative style Hack N Slash titles are growing in profits away from the old Japanese style thanks to games like GOW. Even Platinum themselves will have to learn to increase the quality of their narrative to buffer the awesome hack n slash action from point A to point B. Everyone knows from Ninja Theory's mission statement that their main goal is to make Story based action/adventure games. The game was boycotted intentionally. Ninja Theory was better off working with Sony and making new IP's for them that dont step on the toes of niche franchises like DMC.


What exactly is bull? Im not quite sure what alot of your post has to do with what I posted. I dont think a more story based DmC was the problem because DMC's all over place mythos is actually a big criticism from fans. The game sure was boycotted. Why? Nobody wanted it obviously. Im not understanding what your getting at.

Story was a problem because it was a entire new story, not a continuation of the old series.

Lets face it, until near release the hatestorm was entirely new Dante focused, then as got nearer release only then did other criticisms emerge, the only valid one really being going for 60 to 30fps, but that hardly makes or breaks a game.


Well duh.

NT shows us new Donte, he sucks.

NT shows us gameplay, it sucks.

NT shows us story, it sucks.

NT shows us rich narrative, FUCK YOU.

You're asking me to form criticisms of a game before playing the game. Do you even think before you type?


It was a great start, Inafune only so much. You could tell they were building up to a second game to give Dante newer moves and much, much more as far as the story. Have you played the game? The metacritic is also higher on the PS3 and 360 than Metal Gear Rising Revengeance. Reviewers even know that anything that stood in the way of sales of this game was truly a mass boycott.


You were saying? Oh by the way Metal Gear Rising also sold more copies.


.....This argument holds no weight. You're proving exactly why you're wrong. Look at how many 0 to 3 scores the game got from the user scores. The game was sabotaged from the start. Reviewers in unison rated the game higher than Revengeance and it deserves it from story, to the amount of moves in the gameplay and replay value, including DLC. Over thirty hours worth of stuff in this game and people still complain. 

Same applies to your side fool. Look at how many 10 out of 10 socres "to even the odds"

Well its not like I'm "paid" to give reviews.

I just got off the phone with Capcom just now and they convinced me DmC is by far the best game of the decade. 10/10

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ft7hlHjZw0c

I had the greatest time playing the game. 11/10

FUCK YOU, I have a bigger dick.

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-Smeags



pokoko on 03 April 2013
Jimmy_Rustler said:


You were saying? Oh by the way Metal Gear Rising also sold more copies.

No, wait, hold on, hold on.  I don't wanna start laughing yet cause I might be misunderstanding you.  You aren't saying Metacritic User score means anything at all, are you?  Please, I really hope that's not the direction you're going.  If it is, it's still not too late to back away from that, because the mockery would be pretty darn harsh.  Best to just delete the post and pretend nothing happened.



Weedlab on 03 April 2013

I think it is unfair to being in user scores with respect to DmC. I personally know people who scored it low without even playing the game. :/ That's how much hate there is towards this game.

To each his own, but I find DmC > MGR. My only real complaint with DmC is the technical issues. MGR hollow in some areas.



 

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Rafux on 03 April 2013
KylieDog said:
Rafux said:
KylieDog said:
Thing is when DMC4 released it was bashed pretty heavily by fans for being same old thing, so they get a new and fresh thing, bash that too.

Shame that DMC has such a horrid fanbase, as the new DMC is a great game.


Please don't talk about something you don't know nothing about. DMC4's problem was that it was half a game cause dev time was cut short.

Hey look, what I presume an old DMC fan distorting history and reality.  DMC4 was bashed for lots of things, repetitive levels, bad story, gameplay going nowhere new, lack of checkpoint system etc.  Lots of complaints.


New DMC fixes every complaint of DMC4.  Fans invent new reasons to complain.  Rotten fanbase.

Your last post just shows once again that you don't know nothing about DMC.

 

Repetitive levels and back tracking is exactly what I said was caused by the main problem with DMC4, dev time was cut short.

Bad story? Who plays DMC for the story? Story is just there to move Dante from place A to place B and kick ass, DMC3 did have a decent story but it would have been meaningles if the gameplay hasn't been great as it was.

Gameplay wise DMC4 is the best in the series, real time style switching and Nero's devil bringer (for a casual approach) were great additions. But you don't have to believe me just go and hit youtube for the trustyle tournaments (those crazy guys use DMC4 for a reason).

We fans voted with our wallets, we don't want a casualised, dumbed down Devil May Cry game.



Xxain on 03 April 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Xxain said:
@Stage -Even through the reboot Tomb Raider is still instantly recognizable. DmC is not. Its almost like another game. CAPCOM's ex employee Seth Killian said it best. People dont want brand new. They want 70% of what they know and 30% new. Tomb Raider meets that break up. DmC does not.


DMC in gameplay looks more like the old DMC than the new Tomb Raider looks like its predecessor. Both great reboots, but still, seriously.


Now thats bull, but you know that which is why you put" in gameplay". You know that all games will be judged on a visual basis first( as fucking irritating as it is). You look at Tomb Raider you know its Tomb Raider. You know damn well that cant be said for DmC. No point in having this conversation anymore. DMC fans spoke with their wallet...and everything else including the kitchen sink. They said not interested. So did everybody else. Dont forget that another reason for DMC reboot was to have a more western feel to attract more people but they couldnt get them either.