Umm...DMC is 30 FPS on consoles, 60 on PC.

You're right about Kamiya though and you're not really arguing with me about NT not using the old engine.

About DMC getting good reviews. It felt like they weren't even trying. The game is not a 90/100 game. Too many glitches, shitty story, way too easy. 75/100 at best, but this is my opinion, but most critics have ignored the flaws and are trying to defend NT. Every developer needs some though love every once in a while to get them back to the ground. NT was acting all high and mighty by bashing the old games and the fans, but sadly this game is worse.

You're right about Kamiya though and you're not really arguing with me about NT not using the old engine.

They didn't use it cause they didn't want to spend time learning a new engine when they could use UE which they already knew, Capcom even told them they would send some enginners for assistance but NT are lazy.

Umm...DMC is 30 FPS on consoles, 60 on PC

Why would it not be 60 FPS on PC? PCs are powerful. NT failed to deliver 60 FPS on consoles because of the UE engine.

This i would also throw UMvs.C3 into the mix. Fact is gamers did respond, I dont know why he thinks that series got a free pass. I wanna hear more about this update though

Wrong again. Hideki Kamiya and Team Little Devils had plans to make DMC2, but Shinji Mikami wanted to take a few new developers to work on Viewtiful Joe. In that time Capcom went ahead with DMC2 without the input of Hideki Kamiya or Team Little Devils.

DMC3 was made by Hideaki Itsuno and Capom's Production Team 1. The rewrote the pre-existing DMC cannon to create a new origin story for Dante and his brother Vergil, its loosley tied to the events preceeding DMC1. Yet the game still conflicts with Dante's original orgin story from DMC1. Hideki Kamiya admitted that it dosen't matter which game it is, only DMC1 Dante is the true iteration of the character. The following DMC games were not his Dante. In that respect none of the DMC games are true successors to DMC1. They are good games in their own right but not true sequels to DMC1.

The reason you didn't know that was because DMC4 was your first DMC game. By I suppose that dosen't make 'any' sense right?

Hideki Kamiya wanted to make DMC2, he was unhappy Capcom made DMC2 without coming to him first. Whatever the case Team Little Devils eventually formed Platinum Games and all the ideas they had for DMC2 they put into Bayonetta. Which trumped DMC4 on every level. They are currently making Bayonetta 2, which is probably going to trump every action game, even DmC.

Framerate dosen't refer to speed. Framerate refers to the number of images that flash on the screen in a second to create the illusion of a moving picture. In the case of DmC there are 30 flashing images per second, in the case of DmC PC, there are up to 200 flashing images per second. Hence the terminology frames per second or FPS. FPS does not relate to the speed a game runs at. In fact running at normal speed, DmC's speed is about on par with DMC3 and 4. Some moves are slightly faster, some moves are slightly slower.

Not sure if MT Framework is as good as you say it is. Resident Evil 6 came out last year. A lot of reviewers have said the engine has aged poorly. And thats Capcom's biggest game, if the engine can't keep up under Capcom's biggest game, what makes you think Ninja Theory should've used it? I forget though, you know more than Hideaki itusno on how to develop a DMC game.

You are right Kamiya did have interest in making DMC2 I was wrong I thought he didn't like to make sequels even Bayo 2 is not directed by him (only supervised). I really don't want to argue with you anymore because you don't listen to the others persons point you are just waiting to make your own, waste of time.

Yes, and the only thing metacritic scores affect is whether or not a developer gets a bonus or not.  And it was recently discovered that Metacritic goes by a "Weighted system" were the biggest magazines have 3 times as much pull as smaller magazines, thus rendering their scores useless.

Capcom announced the game before they had any gameplay to show and just showed off a controversial trailer with NOTHING ELSE for 9 months; constantly flip flopped on the canonicity of the title (at one point it was called a "preboot", a prequel, a reboot, and an alternate universe all at the same time, depending on who you asked); constantly drew comparisons to the old series (probably the worst mistake they made); and generally went with "You'll understand when you play".  It was bad and full of miscommunication.

It's down to opinion wether or not the animations are more fluid or not.  Ninja Theory went with the UE3 since they already had experience with it and since MT Frameworks is written in Japanese with very little English documentation.  It was never about using the best engine for the job.

The story wasn't deep, no.  But people still loved the characters.  And it's the gameplay that was held on a high pedistal, not the story.

Hideki Kamiya left long before Devil May Cry 3 and 4 were ever even considered.  He left because Capcom kept screwing him over, much like they kept screwing Shinji Mikami (Creator of Resident Evil) and Atushi Inaba (Okami and God Hand).  Devil May Cry 4 had such backtracking because developmental issues swallowed a bunch of developmental time.

Ninja Theory boiled all compliants down to "it's about the hair".  They called the fan "sheep" at one point.  Tameen Antoniades openly said "I don't care" in regards to the fans reactions.  It was unprofessional.  Understandable, yes, but fans wouldn't have had any of that to use as ammunition if they had done the professional thing and said nothing.

And you too are simplifying the issues people had with the game by claiming it was just a bunch "Otaku".

"...constantly flip flopped on the canonicity of the title (at one point it was called a "preboot", a prequel, a reboot, and an alternate universe all at the same time, depending on who you asked); constantly drew comparisons to the old series (probably the worst mistake they made); and generally went with "You'll understand when you play".  It was bad and full of miscommunication."

Capcom made it clear from the beginning that DmC was a reboot of the series. If they used the words prequel or preboot then could you provide links for those. Ninja Theory used the words alternate universe later on. Thus making it clear this game does not take place in the same continuity as the previous DMC games. There is nothing confusing about this. Its like the Batman Begins reboot, which I think they used an example at some point.

"It was never about using the best engine for the job."

How do we know MT Framework was the best engine for the job? Based on the quality of Capcom's own games like Resident Evil 6, Resident Evil 5 and DMC4 there is not sufficent evidence to prove this one way or the other. Ninja Theory went with UE3 because of their experience with the engine. Its was simply DMC4 fans who have no clue about programming who tried to tell Capcom and Ninja Theory how to do their jobs.

"The story wasn't deep, no.  But people still loved the characters."

The characters are different in every game. There is no true sequel to DMC1 for obvious reasons. The other DMC games might be good games in their own right, but none of them are true successors to DMC1. In terms of Dante, DMC4 Dante was extemely far from the original iteration of the character. Turning him into a camp cowboy with no humanity. He wasn't Dante. Capcom also changed Lady and Trish into Playboy fanservice. And they also introduced the new main charactes, Nero and Kyrie. DMC4 was confirmed to be the end of Dante's story and the beginning of Nero's story. Besides, DMC1,2 and 3 actually had good stories. DMC3s story was actually pretty good. Its DMC4 that had a predictable story, with an overabunance of cutscenes and dialogue.

"Devil May Cry 4 had such backtracking because developmental issues swallowed a bunch of developmental time."

All the DMC games have a signifant time spend in previous levels. In DMC1 both the first and third acts of the game take place in the castle. Which features reptition of the same areas. DMC2 featued Lucia's missions on a seperate disk which were mostly Dante's missions in reverse. DMC3 featured a lot of reptiion through the tower featured at the beginning of the game. DMC4 was not the first game to have backtracking or repeat environments. Development time or not, it was something that had to be revised for furture games.

"Ninja Theory boiled all compliants down to "it's about the hair".  They called the fan "sheep" at one point.  Tameen Antoniades openly said "I don't care" in regards to the fans reactions."

Ninja Theory and Capcom both discussed the combat in depth, theres videos on Youtube where they do nothing but talk about the combat. It was actually Alex Jones of Capcom America who called the dissenters sheep at once point. Ninja Theory can't control what Capcom America say. Besides its actually true they were behaving like 'sheep'. Tameen Antoniades was sent death threats and has been harassed with someone even going as far as pretending to be him. Telling those thugs that he didn't care was among the best things he couldve said.

I've been a fan of this series since DMC1. I admit even DmC is not perfect. But that does not give me the right to do what these DMC4 fans are doing. They are a complete disgrace to the gaming community. If they don't like the game don't play it, its that simple.

Then you admit  its your point of view DMC4 is a good game?

I know you don't want to argue with me. You started playing DMC with DMC4, so you thought you would come here to tell DMC fans that DmC is a bad game becasue it didn't continue DMC4 (which was not a DMC game either). Unfortunately the games up, you found a DMC1 fan waiting in the fold.

I suggest you go back to playing DMC4 if your not happy with DmC. Its not our problem DMC4 was your entry into the series. And its certainly not Ninja Theory's fault DMC4 was what it was. But that dosen't matter does it, the camp cowboy DMC4 Dante was all Ninja Theory's fault.

Rafux, I've responded to your points. Do you wish to discuss the matter further since you seem to have something to say. Like how Hideki Kamiya didn't want to make DMC2... Yet he did. Or maybe DMC4's red cowboy boots and Playboy fanservice are up for discussion. Because those things are what made DMC1 great right?