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Ban/Regulate Junk Food?

YES, DO everything you can 15 18.07%
 
YES, but just tax it 6 7.23%
 
YES ban HFCS/Corn Fillers 4 4.82%
 
YES regulate HFCS/Corn Fillers 1 1.20%
 
YES remove the Corn Subsidy 5 6.02%
 
YES regulate salt content of food 2 2.41%
 
YES other reasons/combination of above 4 4.82%
 
Maybe, Unsure 2 2.41%
 
NO WAY!!!!! 39 46.99%
 
See Results 5 6.02%
 
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Michael-5 on 03 April 2013
LemonSlice said:
I'm planning to dine at McDonald's tonight. Can't wait to taste that delicious "Grade F 20% beef" meat LMAO

McDonalds is too expensive for me.

People don't believe me when I say I spend $20 a week on food. Rice and Pasta, plus home made sause and veggies are cheap you know?



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Michael-5 on 03 April 2013
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
ebw said:

I won't deny that fast food is very unhealthy, but did you really believe McDonald's, the most closely scrutinized franchise in the world, who actually got sued for overheating coffee, ever would do something as stupid and legally actionable as selling 20% beef patties?

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

That's another problem with the USA, everyone suing each other, and excessive capitalism.

Another problem is people assuming myths are facts and using them to warrant regulations...

What myth?



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Michael-5 on 03 April 2013
dsgrue3 said:
Michael-5 said:

Yes that's true, but accuracy is important. From the few statistics course I've taken I know that the World Factbook is accurate, just a tad outdated. Either way, we have similar numbers.

LOL about arsenic. Actually Arsenic is found in Apple Seeds in small doses, and people do eat those (but you shouldn't).

Your body needs salt, but very very little. The Nutrition stickers on the back of Canadian food products is 2,000mg (miligrams!, or 2 grams a day), and this is based on a 500g daily diet (about 2,000 calories). Most things exceed this, a slice of pizza is about 0.6-1 gram of salt, so 2 slices of pizza make up your daily recommended salt intake. A 6 inch subway sandwich ranges from 1.2-2.5g of salt, and that's suppose to be healthy. Pop only has 65mg (about 3%) per can, but it's a complete unnesessary additive, pop in Europe has no salt and taste much much better.

Regulating salt in the USA would not increase the price of food, and realistically increase average life expectancy by a couple years. It might be difficult to impose, but it would be the most beneficial health regulator in the USA, and Canada.

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Plus the big problem with salt is you need Potasium to balance it out. Your body regulates salt in the body by something called the K/NA pump (sodium/potassium pump). If you have too much salt in your diet, your body tells you to drink (makes you thirsty) to pee out the salt. Because of this, high salt diets are one of the major causes of haeart attack/strokes (your blood vessels need to expand to handle the higher volume of diluted blood, and when you'r older your arteries are more rigid, preventing expansion leading to a heart attack/stroke).

Anyway, I went on, but basically very few people eat too little salt in their diet, most people eat too much, especially in comparision to potassium (this is why it;s good to eat banana's and drink orange juice).

Sorry, I'm a bit of a health nut.

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P.S. If you need caffience in your diet, switch to black/green tea. It only has 1/3rd the caffiene of coffee/pop, but It's so much better for you then pop. I mean the average non diet pop has 9 spoons of sugar, and diet pops have aspartame, which is worse. Plus Green teas have other herbs which help with weight loss. One of my friends went from 240-160/170lb on a green tea diet (only drank green tea, but ate the same food as before). Now he's a huge womanizer

Mhm, not disputing World Factbook by any means - it's just outdated. My source pointed to a study by the OECD whose budget is 347 million EUR, just to add to the validity. 

Arsenic can be found in food items, but arsenic isn't a food was my point. Just as potassium isn't a food, but too much can kill you and it's prevalent in bananas.

Not sure how you can suggest increased life expectancy by imposing salt regulation. I don't think there are any studies on this. Feel free to share though.

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Didn't know about the potassium/sodium balancing act. Guess I'll have to start buying bananas again. Or at least eat them before they rot.

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I've been hooked on diet mountain dew for a long time. I might experiment with switching to green tea; no doubt it's far more beneficial to health as soda adds nothing of value really.

Well, you read and understand how I explained how salt causes strokes and heart attacks? Cholesterol too, but salt is a big contributor. Less salt in our diets will help prevent, or at least delay strokes and heart attacks by not demanding more water in the blood. Plus it will keep our kidneys and liver in better shape as we age.

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Orange Juice is good too. If you're still in school, my advice is have a banana before a test. Potassium stimulate brain activity as well, for a short period.

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I know people who drink green tea with mountain dew. I tried it before, it's kinda funky lol, but it works better with regulate MD since you're using MD as the source of sugar.



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LemonSlice on 03 April 2013
Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
ebw said:

I won't deny that fast food is very unhealthy, but did you really believe McDonald's, the most closely scrutinized franchise in the world, who actually got sued for overheating coffee, ever would do something as stupid and legally actionable as selling 20% beef patties?

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

That's another problem with the USA, everyone suing each other, and excessive capitalism.

Another problem is people assuming myths are facts and using them to warrant regulations...

What myth?

The ridiculous McDonalds myth you posted as fact.

 

Michael-5 said:
LemonSlice said:
I'm planning to dine at McDonald's tonight. Can't wait to taste that delicious "Grade F 20% beef" meat LMAO

McDonalds is too expensive for me.

People don't believe me when I say I spend $20 a week on food. Rice and Pasta, plus home made sause and veggies are cheap you know?

Yes, it can be cheaper to make a meal at home, but there's a McDonalds right next to my house and the food's pretty damn good.



Michael-5 on 03 April 2013
LemonSlice said:
Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
ebw said:

I won't deny that fast food is very unhealthy, but did you really believe McDonald's, the most closely scrutinized franchise in the world, who actually got sued for overheating coffee, ever would do something as stupid and legally actionable as selling 20% beef patties?

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

That's another problem with the USA, everyone suing each other, and excessive capitalism.

Another problem is people assuming myths are facts and using them to warrant regulations...

What myth?

The ridiculous McDonalds myth you posted as fact.

 

Michael-5 said:
LemonSlice said:
I'm planning to dine at McDonald's tonight. Can't wait to taste that delicious "Grade F 20% beef" meat LMAO

McDonalds is too expensive for me.

People don't believe me when I say I spend $20 a week on food. Rice and Pasta, plus home made sause and veggies are cheap you know?

Yes, it can be cheaper to make a meal at home, but there's a McDonalds right next to my house and the food's pretty damn good.

McDonalds is pretty good, but $5 for a tiny super fat burger? I'd rather make something myself, the stuff I cook taste muc much better then McD's, and I can cook most things within 15-20 minutes. I don't live near a McD's, but I live near a Tim Hortins (Huge chain in Canada, bigger then everything else), and I think by the time I walk there, wait in line, order, get my food, and walk back home, I could have cooked a better meal for less.

As for McDonalds 20% beef, it's not a myth. Look into 100% Beef and watch "End of Suburbia." Heck, meat grading is based on the quality of the meat, fat/water content, and beef content. Grade F Beef I believe (I could be wrong on this) is any meat with 49% or less Beef.

Also I have a friend who's father is a butcher. When you salt beef it absorbs a lot of water. Most meats in North America are less then 90% meat because of this trick.



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JoeTheBro on 03 April 2013
Michael-5 said:
LemonSlice said:
Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
ebw said:

I won't deny that fast food is very unhealthy, but did you really believe McDonald's, the most closely scrutinized franchise in the world, who actually got sued for overheating coffee, ever would do something as stupid and legally actionable as selling 20% beef patties?

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

That's another problem with the USA, everyone suing each other, and excessive capitalism.

Another problem is people assuming myths are facts and using them to warrant regulations...

What myth?

The ridiculous McDonalds myth you posted as fact.

 

Yes, it can be cheaper to make a meal at home, but there's a McDonalds right next to my house and the food's pretty damn good.


As for McDonalds 20% beef, it's not a myth. Look into 100% Beef and watch "End of Suburbia." Heck, meat grading is based on the quality of the meat, fat/water content, and beef content. Grade F Beef I believe (I could be wrong on this) is any meat with 49% or less Beef.

Also I have a friend who's father is a butcher. When you salt beef it absorbs a lot of water. Most meats in North America are less then 90% meat because of this trick.


Did you not bother to check the link? Also I'll watch that video on youtube if I can find it.

EDIT: LOL checked out the sight. Yeah I'm not going to waste my time when it's so obviously trash.



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LiquorandGunFun on 03 April 2013


The government has no business telling people what to eat.


Cmon Texas please leave this broken union and i will gladly move!

 

Michael-5 on 03 April 2013
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
LemonSlice said:
Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
ebw said:

I won't deny that fast food is very unhealthy, but did you really believe McDonald's, the most closely scrutinized franchise in the world, who actually got sued for overheating coffee, ever would do something as stupid and legally actionable as selling 20% beef patties?

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

That's another problem with the USA, everyone suing each other, and excessive capitalism.

Another problem is people assuming myths are facts and using them to warrant regulations...

What myth?

The ridiculous McDonalds myth you posted as fact.

 

Yes, it can be cheaper to make a meal at home, but there's a McDonalds right next to my house and the food's pretty damn good.


As for McDonalds 20% beef, it's not a myth. Look into 100% Beef and watch "End of Suburbia." Heck, meat grading is based on the quality of the meat, fat/water content, and beef content. Grade F Beef I believe (I could be wrong on this) is any meat with 49% or less Beef.

Also I have a friend who's father is a butcher. When you salt beef it absorbs a lot of water. Most meats in North America are less then 90% meat because of this trick.


Did you not bother to check the link? Also I'll watch that video on youtube if I can find it.

I just read it now, and I don't agree. The Source is not a credible source, it's a newspaper article from 2007.

First of all, no beef is 100% beef (lots of water content), there used to be a meat supplier for McDonalds called "100% Beef" (Even mentions it in the article).

Maybe it changed, I beleive the "100% Beef" issue was older then 1997, and that article only says that McDonalds meat is made from 100% USDA inspected meat with no salt added. The article doesn't mention the Beef Grade. It could still be grade F (or 1 now on a scale of 1-5 on the USDA website) meat.

I hate when they say it's 100% beef because like I said, people salt meat to it absorbs water and adds weight. If you dry meat (like in Jerky) it's a lot lighter. I guess technically, since salt only ads like 0.1% to the mass and water is a natural ingrediant in meat the USDA ignores factors such as this, but it's still lying.

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As for End of Suburbia, it's a good film. A lot of facts are overexaggerated, but not untrue. It's mostly about global warming, and yes if global temperatures reach 2% temperature is beleived to rapidly climb, and at 6% most scientists believe we a f***ed. However things like we're going to run out of gas by 2020, is false (we have enough to 2030 now, but as technology improves, we keep pushing that figure future into the future, it was 1980 at one point).

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OH SH**. Sorry, watch Food inc. That's the movie which talks about where our food comes from. End of Suburbia is about the environment, and the end of cars (and hence sub-urbs)



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JoeTheBro on 03 April 2013
Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
LemonSlice said:
Michael-5 said:
JoeTheBro said:
Michael-5 said:
ebw said:

I won't deny that fast food is very unhealthy, but did you really believe McDonald's, the most closely scrutinized franchise in the world, who actually got sued for overheating coffee, ever would do something as stupid and legally actionable as selling 20% beef patties?

http://www.snopes.com/business/market/allbeef.asp

That's another problem with the USA, everyone suing each other, and excessive capitalism.

Another problem is people assuming myths are facts and using them to warrant regulations...

What myth?

The ridiculous McDonalds myth you posted as fact.

 

Yes, it can be cheaper to make a meal at home, but there's a McDonalds right next to my house and the food's pretty damn good.


As for McDonalds 20% beef, it's not a myth. Look into 100% Beef and watch "End of Suburbia." Heck, meat grading is based on the quality of the meat, fat/water content, and beef content. Grade F Beef I believe (I could be wrong on this) is any meat with 49% or less Beef.

Also I have a friend who's father is a butcher. When you salt beef it absorbs a lot of water. Most meats in North America are less then 90% meat because of this trick.


Did you not bother to check the link? Also I'll watch that video on youtube if I can find it.

I just read it now, and I don't agree. The Source is not a credible source, it's a newspaper article from 2007.

First of all, no beef is 100% beef (lots of water content), there used to be a meat supplier for McDonalds called "100% Beef" (Even mentions it in the article).

Maybe it changed, I beleive the "100% Beef" issue was older then 1997, and that article only says that McDonalds meat is made from 100% USDA inspected meat with no salt added. The article doesn't mention the Beef Grade. It could still be grade F (or 1 now on a scale of 1-5 on the USDA website) meat.

I hate when they say it's 100% beef because like I said, people salt meat to it absorbs water and adds weight. If you dry meat (like in Jerky) it's a lot lighter. I guess technically, since salt only ads like 0.1% to the mass and water is a natural ingrediant in meat the USDA ignores factors such as this, but it's still lying.

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As for End of Suburbia, it's a good film. A lot of facts are overexaggerated, but not untrue. It's mostly about global warming, and yes if global temperatures reach 2% temperature is beleived to rapidly climb, and at 6% most scientists believe we a f***ed. However things like we're going to run out of gas by 2020, is false (we have enough to 2030 now, but as technology improves, we keep pushing that figure future into the future, it was 1980 at one point).

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OH SH**. Sorry, watch Food inc. That's the movie which talks about where our food comes from. End of Suburbia is about the environment, and the end of cars (and hence sub-urbs)

This sums up my opinions on that film.



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Kasz216 on 03 April 2013
Michael-5 said:
Kasz216 said:

The only reason corn is the cheapest food to grow in the US is because of the government.

Rather then crazy junkfood bans and the like they should just remove the corn subsidies so junk food naturally costs more.


There is a reason why even mexico uses sugar over HFC... (and they have a bigger obesity problem then we do.)

No they don't

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/hea_obe-health-obesity

Mind you those statistics are old, I know USA is approaching 40% and Canada is about 18%.

Also I think if you take a Europe average, and exclude UK, obesity rates are actually lower then 13%. A lot of countries like Sweden, Denmark, France, and Italy hold 8-10%.

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Oh wait, now I get your point. I don't think corn is subsidized in Canada, I think it's subsidized in the USA because USA and Mexico are the world lead producers of corn. So one of the options I gave was to ban (I should have said ban/regulate) corn fillers and HFCS. I guess removing the subsidies would make a similar affect.

As for Sugar over HFCS, what's that reason? Pop in Europe uses Beat sugar over HFCS and not only does it taste better, but it's better for you too because you body recognizes it as a sugar.

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What's your take on strong salt regulations?

Nationmaster is a horrible site for government statistics.

The number one killer in Mexico?   Diabetes.

http://www.voxxi.com/mexico-diabetes-obesity-epidemic/

The reason Europe uses Beat Sugar... (And mexico uses sugar by the way, hence the popularity of "Mexican Coke") is because they don't have crazy corn subsidies like the US does.  Well that and a double whammy tax on sugar imports.


In the US it's cheaper to use HFC then it is Sugar.   Everywhere else in the world it's cheaper to use real sugar.  (Beat or Sugar Cane.)


HFC isn't banned in europe.  There is a production quota... but this was done for economic... not health reasons.

It's also why we use inferior Corn based ethanol when Sugar Cane Ethanol is cheaper and cleaner burning.