Forums - Nintendo Discussion - The amount of pessimism Wii U is getting is beyond ridiculous

I’m truly amazed to see how many people on boards like this one are pessimists about the fate of the WiiU. Even more on a topic like this one:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=157842

 

it seems that at least the majority truly believe that the situation of the console can be compared to the Vita. That’s really mind-blowing for me as I certainly have no idea how you can think something like that if you have any understanding about this market. So I’m going to tackle the main used arguments in order to prove that believing the console  is in a really bad position right now is nothing less than totally ridiculous to say the least.

 

“The Wii U doesn’t sell well right now so its concept has to be bad and so the console is necessarily doomed”.

Few things are stupid about that. First there is nothing more important than games to sell a console. Even a console with a very bad concept like the 3DS which main selling point hardware- wise (3D) appeared to be not attractive at all to the mass market managed to become a huge success and destroy its main competitor. So as long as a console will have great games and killer apps it really doesn’t matter if it has a great concept or not. I think the concept of the WiiU is great by the way but even if it wasn’t the case it would still sell tremendously well if it has the right games. The WiiU lakes games right now, that's really its only important problem.

 

“The Wii U isn’t selling well so it is in a similar position as the Vita”

That’s again a totally stupid statement. There are two major differences between WiiU and Vita. When the latter one released its main competitor had an advantage in terms of installed based of few millions copies. Now this advantage is even more important of something like 25 Mns. When publishers decides to release a game on a platform rather than on another one that’s the point they are looking at : which of these platforms have the biggest installed base. That’s the main point to consider in order to predict how well a hardware will do in the future. The WiiU on the other hand has still no competitors so even if it doesn’t sell well those sales still represent an advantage that it will have against PS4 and 720. WiiU has also already a lot of killer apps announced or to expect (Wii Fit, Wii Sports, Mario Kart, Mario 3D, Animal Crossing…) while Vita has none.

 

“WiiU is last gen hardware wise so you have to compare its sales and installed based to the ones of the PS3 and 360”

Stupid argument, sorry, again. It doesn’t matter what is your definition of “next gen”. Whatever it is the WiiU will be a direct competitor for most of its life-time of the next consoles from Sony and MS not of the old “HD twins”. Comparing the sales of the WiiU with those consoles doesn’t matter at all because those will last at best 1 or 2 more years and will be soon forgotten by developers. On the other hand those developers will compare the sales of the WiiU, PS4 and 720 to know which consoles they will have to support in the future.

 

“The Wii U is in the same situation as the gamecube so Nintendo games won’t save it”.

See what I wrote about Vita because this is the same situation in terms of advantage/disadvantage in terms of installed base. The WiiU in fact is the first Nintendo console that will have such an advantage since… the NES. This is a huge difference. Compare to the GC the WiiU will have an advantage of something close to 10 Mns probably instead of the disadvantage GC had of even more than that so the difference between the two situations will be very important. In terms of games Nintendo has a lot of very big IPs that it didn’t have in the GC area: Wii Sports, Wii Fit, New Mario (already released yes but more is coming with Luigi and this game will sell a lot of WiiU again when the hardware will be at a more affordable price for casual gamers), Animal Crossing (which will sell certainly really well thanks to off tv), DKC… And Mario Kart is much stronger than what it was at this time.

 

“When PS4/720 will released noone will care about Wii U”

 The whole gaming history shows us that hardware power is not that important at all and some people still think that this aspect will help the next consoles to sell much better than WiiU? Really? Those consoles will for sure released and a very high price and will have no killer apps as big as a what WiiU should have this fall: Mario Kart probably and Mario 3D, Wii Sports to follow in the coming months after that. How exactly can the PS4 and 720 have any chances to sell better than the WiiU in the last months of 2013 and first half of 2014? PS3 and  360 will also compete against those consoles even more thant they are competing with WiiU right now as most of the games those next consoles will have will be cross-gen.

 

 “The casual gamers abandoned Nintendo and won’t come back”

This is based on nothing than pure pointless speculation. There is no argument at all that proves that many millions of casual gamers aren't going to buy a WiiU just to play Wii Fit, Wii Sports or MK among others. Nintendogs and BT didn’t sell well on 3DS because there are a lot of clones on mobile phones for dirt cheap but there are no competent clones of Wii Fit on any hardware and the only alternatives to Wii Sports are released on other consoles for a similar price. Some people assume that casual got bored about those kind of games and never will buy the next ones but this again is pure speculation based on nothing substantial. If casual gamers were disappointed by WS or WF, their Wii and consoles in general why were they millions to buy WF Plus and WS Resort, but also Just Dance, Zumba Fitness or Kinect?In terms of casual games Nintendo still have by far the best selling franchises so there is no way that Sony and MS will have this market. Even if the WiiU fails to have the hardcore gamers it will still sell really well thanks to that and there is no reason to think otherwise.

 

“Developpers have already decided to not support the WiiU”

Wii U is certainly not their highest priority right now which is logical because the PS3 and 360 are still an active market but that doesn’t mean it will get worse and worse. In fact with the increasing installed base and the fact that the real competitors aren’t released yet it can only become better and better. Most developers won’t have also to choose between WiiU and PS4 or 720 because most “next gen” engines are already compatible with PS3 and 360 and so can be ported to WiiU too:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=502013

 UE4 is more the exception than a strong trend and even this one certainly will be highly scalable even if most of its graphical but gimmicky features will require strong hardwares.

 

And I could go on and on. I think that if you think the WiiU is right now really in a very bad position you are just totally missing the whole picture.

By the way my native language is not English so sorry for the possible grammatical mistakes.



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gum said:

“The Wii U doesn’t sell well right now so its concept has to be bad and so the console is necessarily doomed”.

I agree, this argument is entirely false.

gum said:

“When PS4/720 will released noone will care about Wii U”

I'll put it to you this way. Honda, Toyota, Ford all make 7th Gen vehicles. Honda & Toyota build quite powerful vehicles. Ford builds a less powerful vehicle that has a very popular feature - let's say it can drive itself on the highway.

8th gen rolls around, Honda & Toyota decide to build even more powerful cars. Ford abandons its self-driving on highway ability and simply builds a comparable car comparable to the power of the 7th gen Honda & Toyota. In addition, it offers a feature that may have some pull - Siri in the car.  

The feature proves to be not revolutionary in any regard and is largely neglected as a feature at all. This is the case with the Wii U.

gum said:

 

 

 “The casual gamers abandoned Nintendo and won’t come back”

This is based on nothing than pure pointless speculation. 

Based on nothing? There was massive hype for the Wii, EVERYONE and their mother knew about it. Go ask a casual if they even know about the Wii U - odds are they don't. 

gum said:

 

 

“Developpers have already decided to not support the WiiU”

Time will tell here, but signs are not positive for third party support on Wii U, which is par for the course for Nintendo. 

 

 

 

 

 



"I'll put it to you this way. Honda, Toyota, Ford all make 7th Gen vehicles. Honda & Toyota build quite powerful vehicles. Ford builds a less powerful vehicle that has a very popular feature - let's say it can drive itself on the highway.

8th gen rolls around, Honda & Toyota decide to build even more powerful cars. Ford abandons its self-driving on highway ability and simply builds a comparable car comparable to the power of the 7th gen Honda & Toyota. In addition, it offers a feature that may have some pull - Siri in the car.  

The feature proves to be not revolutionary in any regard and is largely neglected as a feature at all. This is the case with the Wii U."

 

Features aren't that important like the example of 3DS show us. Wii didn't sell well because it had motion gaming but because it had Wii Sports which uses motion gaming in a very fun way. WiiU will have the next Wii Sports and PS4/ 720 won't have any more unique features leading to unique fun games for casuals. Hardcore gamers also don't care that much about graphics as the PS1, PS2, even NES, DS, 3DS... have shown us. Games is what matters, features or graphics on the other hand are certainly not a high selling argument as pretty much every generation of consoles and handhelds have shown. I again don't understand how people can think otherwise because there is no proof of this aspects to be that important in terms of hardware success.

 

"Based on nothing? There was massive hype for the Wii, EVERYONE and their mother knew about it. Go ask a casual if they even know about the Wii U - odds are they don't."

The main casual IPs aren't released yet and the console is too expensive to really aim at casual gamers right now. Measuring the hype of a product from a specific target is also something very difficult and I don't see any strong data nor evidences that show that these kind of gamers won't buy the console when games and prices will be right for them.



the pessimism is justified. Also, there is no denying the casuals the wii gained moved on. Each system will get their fair share of casuals but the specific ones that bought wii as their first and only console will not be back this gen

Eat my shorts

The pessimism is justified, but to this extent? Certainly not.

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It utterly dominated the last gen and that pissed a lot of "hardcore gamers" off.

Now they get their revenge. The PS3 saw a lot of this early on due to the dominance Sony was riding.

Personally, I think the Wii U is going to recover enough to see decent lifetime sales. However, a lot of your arguments sound very 'head in the sand'.

Nintendo launched the Wii U with very little software support, probably with the idea that the hardware features alone would entice customers. That has not been the case. Nintendo had a chance to build up a solid installed base, and thus the ability to influence third-party developers and publishers, but they've pretty much failed at that. The Wii U's realistic advantage in that area, by the end of the year, will be negligible. It's already being skipped over for that reason.

You're right about the Wii U being in a different boat than the Vita, though that's not actually something to brag about. The fact is, Nintendo had the advantage here and pretty much whiffed.

Conegamer said:
The pessimism is justified, but to this extent? Certainly not.

Yes, I personally think Wii U will turn things around but not as much as most hope or want. That doesn't change the fact though that the longer Nintendo takes to act to turn it around the more the Wii U will be damaged. I personally think the Wii U will settle at 45mil but can see myself reducing that number if Nintendo is expecting things to turn around just from their original strategy. Basically, the here and now and way things are looking up the Wii U will turn into a Game Cube until Nintendo reacts (which they have shown no signs of yet) and until then I think it's justified.



Eat my shorts

I have to disagree, i think its the biggest let down from nintendo, and i believe the leadership there is to blame.

 

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There's a reason for that. If anything, with this amount of pessimism when the Wii U takes off people will look up our comments and laugh at us.

No Unreal Engine 4 games on Wii U? Ha! Here's Gears of War Inifinity! Eat crow VgKing.