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Flame on 30 March 2013
Darc Requiem said:
pezus said:

How would Nvidia know 720's specs? They aren't even making the GPU in it...


I was thinking the same thing. I mean unless they are going off the rumored specs. Nvidia has an axe to grind with console manufacturers at this point. AMD will be making money on every Wii U, PS4, and 720 sold. There is no doubt that the PC has the stronger hardware. The issue has always been optimization. You'll never get the most out of your PC hardware because if developers actually coded for the latest greatest graphic's card tech, they'd be eliminating 99% of their potential software sales.


Nvidia recently obtained documents from AMD when a few employees desided to quit and move over to Nvidia with said sensitive information.  If anything, I bet that how Nvidia knows what AMD is doing with these consoles.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414405,00.asp



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walsufnir on 30 March 2013
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:

Wow, nvidia is really obsessed with the PS4, aren't they?

mmh, doubtful. they deliver a lot of chips to smartphones and they are trying to expand this business. i think there is a lot more money to make with tegra than amd does with ps4 (and nextbox, of course).

 

What is there to be doubtful about? Nvidia has been dissing the next generation of consoles for months now. It's clear that they're very salty.

I remember they said that nextgen is already outdated - there is more powerful hardware already available. As a company this is just usual business, that's all. They want PC-guys to pay for "the way it's meant to be played". Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, not just that. Nvidia has been bitter about consoles for a long time now. Like when they said that the next gen of consoles will be the last. Or when they said that they let AMD have the next generation of consoles. Or when they said that the PS4 GPU equals a low-end nvidia one. And one this. All in the space of a few months? Is it usual business to make so many statements about a competitor in such a short span of time?


1. Yes, it is.

2. What statement isn't true? There are some which can be argued but these statements are not way off!


1. No, it isn't.

2. No one said it's not true. Of course, a $400-$1000 GPU is going to be more powerful than a $150 one. My point, which still stands, is about how nvidia is butthurt about being the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming.

1. Agree to disagree, this leads to nothing.

2. Can you backup your statement that nvidia is the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming? Keep in mind, they are also powering a lot of Android-devices, the PS3 *and* sell graphic-solutions for pc (and notebooks).



AnthonyW86 on 30 March 2013

The Titan alone uses more power than an entire Ps3 Phat or the first version of the Xbox 360 did. Also a Titan card alone costs more than a PS4 and Xbox 720 combined. And the Ps4 is based on a one chip design.



platformmaster918 on 30 March 2013
teigaga said:
twilight_link said:

mid-end gaming PC now (months before its launch), low-end gaming PC in few years, platform flushed with horrible looking ports of PC games mostly with bad frame rate and or low resolution.

The PS4 buzz stinks with Vita type fiasco, platform hyped by many bought by few.

 

Steam Box if done properly can wipe the floor with PS4


You forget that the PS2 was on the low end of the next gen spectrum when it was released. Most people won't notice because it will still be a gen up from what they had. It will also be affordable.

My attitude is not to compare a console to PCs at the time.  My policy is look at it compared to current gen consoles and see the difference.  Hell with a company like Nintendo I look at it just compared to their own last console to see a jump.  The PS4 is a jump from PS3 so I feel perfectly justified paying $500 for it and all that awesome exclusive software coming.




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S.T.A.G.E. on 30 March 2013
twilight_link said:

mid-end gaming PC now (months before its launch), low-end gaming PC in few years, platform flushed with horrible looking ports of PC games mostly with bad frame rate and or low resolution.

The PS4 buzz stinks with Vita type fiasco, platform hyped by many bought by few.

 

Steam Box if done properly can wipe the floor with PS4


Anyone who knows anything about markets knows the Steam box by default is out of the price range and really doesnt even matter to a mass audience. The first reveal started at $900 and rising. PS4 will wipe the floor with the steam box. Now lets get this straight, PC gaming as a whole is coming back because of casual gaming and you guess it Steam who has affordable pricing now.When exclusives are being made the Xbox 720 and PS4 and exclusives are being made for their audience its really PC gaming who loses. Console gaming has never been as been as it has been without Sony, so I think the PS4 deserves it fair buzz and PC gamers can get their seconds to brag over multiplats that console gamers are already playing with enough graphics that they need.



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Scoobes on 30 March 2013
pezus said:

How would Nvidia know 720's specs? They aren't even making the GPU in it...

They probably have a dev kit for the creation of PhysX tools on the 720.




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Lawlight on 30 March 2013
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:

Wow, nvidia is really obsessed with the PS4, aren't they?

mmh, doubtful. they deliver a lot of chips to smartphones and they are trying to expand this business. i think there is a lot more money to make with tegra than amd does with ps4 (and nextbox, of course).

 

What is there to be doubtful about? Nvidia has been dissing the next generation of consoles for months now. It's clear that they're very salty.

I remember they said that nextgen is already outdated - there is more powerful hardware already available. As a company this is just usual business, that's all. They want PC-guys to pay for "the way it's meant to be played". Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, not just that. Nvidia has been bitter about consoles for a long time now. Like when they said that the next gen of consoles will be the last. Or when they said that they let AMD have the next generation of consoles. Or when they said that the PS4 GPU equals a low-end nvidia one. And one this. All in the space of a few months? Is it usual business to make so many statements about a competitor in such a short span of time?


1. Yes, it is.

2. What statement isn't true? There are some which can be argued but these statements are not way off!


1. No, it isn't.

2. No one said it's not true. Of course, a $400-$1000 GPU is going to be more powerful than a $150 one. My point, which still stands, is about how nvidia is butthurt about being the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming.

1. Agree to disagree, this leads to nothing.

2. Can you backup your statement that nvidia is the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming? Keep in mind, they are also powering a lot of Android-devices, the PS3 *and* sell graphic-solutions for pc (and notebooks).


2. Well, AMD GPUs are in every next gen system (and the 360). How many pc gamers that have nvidia cards are there out here compared to consoles?



walsufnir on 30 March 2013
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:

Wow, nvidia is really obsessed with the PS4, aren't they?

mmh, doubtful. they deliver a lot of chips to smartphones and they are trying to expand this business. i think there is a lot more money to make with tegra than amd does with ps4 (and nextbox, of course).

 

What is there to be doubtful about? Nvidia has been dissing the next generation of consoles for months now. It's clear that they're very salty.

I remember they said that nextgen is already outdated - there is more powerful hardware already available. As a company this is just usual business, that's all. They want PC-guys to pay for "the way it's meant to be played". Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, not just that. Nvidia has been bitter about consoles for a long time now. Like when they said that the next gen of consoles will be the last. Or when they said that they let AMD have the next generation of consoles. Or when they said that the PS4 GPU equals a low-end nvidia one. And one this. All in the space of a few months? Is it usual business to make so many statements about a competitor in such a short span of time?


1. Yes, it is.

2. What statement isn't true? There are some which can be argued but these statements are not way off!


1. No, it isn't.

2. No one said it's not true. Of course, a $400-$1000 GPU is going to be more powerful than a $150 one. My point, which still stands, is about how nvidia is butthurt about being the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming.

1. Agree to disagree, this leads to nothing.

2. Can you backup your statement that nvidia is the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming? Keep in mind, they are also powering a lot of Android-devices, the PS3 *and* sell graphic-solutions for pc (and notebooks).


2. Well, AMD GPUs are in every next gen system (and the 360). How many pc gamers that have nvidia cards are there out here compared to consoles?

It is your turn to prove your statement that nvidia is the least relevant gpu manufacturer. Looks as if you don't have any *data* that supports your point. It's ok to argue this way (read: with no data) if someone has a strong belief in his own opinion but it doesn't help discussing.

To show you what I mean, look over here: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/nvidias-dominance-in-gpus-and-higher-tegra-sales-lift-outlook-cm218257

If you can find anything to prove your point, feel free to provide a link, too.



twilight_link on 30 March 2013
Daisuke72 said:
twilight_link said:

mid-end gaming PC now (months before its launch), low-end gaming PC in few years, platform flushed with horrible looking ports of PC games mostly with bad frame rate and or low resolution.

The PS4 buzz stinks with Vita type fiasco, platform hyped by many bought by few.

 

Steam Box if done properly can wipe the floor with PS4


Low resolution? The PS4 runs game in a native 1080P. ALL consumer TVs that don't cost an arm and a leg(the 4K ones) maximum resolutions are 1080P. Console gaming is mean to be done on a TV, not on a computer monitor, where you can buy monitors with better resolutions than that. So as it stands, 1080P is the highest mainstream resolution available right now, why would they aim for something higher, and since WHEN did 1080P become low resolution gaming? You're not even a good hater, because good haters at least try to make sense. And let's not pretend that PC doesn't get shitty ports either, because it happens all the fucking time. 

 

The PS Vita had no hype outside the Internet, at all. Some of my friends never even heard of the Vita, and yet ALL of my friends know about the PS4 and are getting one. Also, if the PS3 is selling 100K a week worldwide at $250+ there's  clearly a demand for Playstation consoles. Once again, try harder.

 

Steam box won't wipe the floor with consoles, ever. The average gamer isn't computer literate enough for the steam box, and really the idea of upgrading your consoles when you want would confuse the fuck out of some. The steam box has NO exclusives, fuck, if I'm right then it'd be essentially like a normal gaming PC. There's no demand for it, only Valve fanboys and some PC Gamers will buy it.

 

Once again, try harder, improve.

higher complexity of graphics will force developers to some sacrifice so the resolution will be scaled down, remember the PS4 is only mid-end PC it has low-end CPU and mid-end GPU nothing more or less.

As for Playstation brand, well your evidence is meaningless and even this speaks volume about brand recognition, the problem with Playstation crowd is they are interested only in what is cool this matter for them, so their portable handheld  was overshadowed by some casual devices and even those who know about Vita and own one are interested in cool brands on their devices as was case of CoD: Declassified regardless of their actual quality, and this is extremely important because this crowd don't give a fuck about Sony 1st party games, so if some cool device became at sight the brand is finished as was in case of Sega.

Sales of Playstation well who are those costumers, are they new or only those who bought replacement consoles i don't know but if sales of their 1st party games are some indicator well it's not good for them although last year Playstation brand expanded every single of their 1st party game bombed on the market.

The average gamer isn't computer literate enough for the steam box, and really the idea of upgrading your consoles when you want would confuse the fuck out of some.

Agree and this is exactly the problem, the consoles became venue for illiterate mob to play horrible PC ports.

The more blood and gore the more MATURE and HARDCORE the biggest sales, it's so easy to address them



Lawlight on 30 March 2013
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:
walsufnir said:
Lawlight said:

Wow, nvidia is really obsessed with the PS4, aren't they?

mmh, doubtful. they deliver a lot of chips to smartphones and they are trying to expand this business. i think there is a lot more money to make with tegra than amd does with ps4 (and nextbox, of course).

 

What is there to be doubtful about? Nvidia has been dissing the next generation of consoles for months now. It's clear that they're very salty.

I remember they said that nextgen is already outdated - there is more powerful hardware already available. As a company this is just usual business, that's all. They want PC-guys to pay for "the way it's meant to be played". Nothing more, nothing less.


Oh, not just that. Nvidia has been bitter about consoles for a long time now. Like when they said that the next gen of consoles will be the last. Or when they said that they let AMD have the next generation of consoles. Or when they said that the PS4 GPU equals a low-end nvidia one. And one this. All in the space of a few months? Is it usual business to make so many statements about a competitor in such a short span of time?


1. Yes, it is.

2. What statement isn't true? There are some which can be argued but these statements are not way off!


1. No, it isn't.

2. No one said it's not true. Of course, a $400-$1000 GPU is going to be more powerful than a $150 one. My point, which still stands, is about how nvidia is butthurt about being the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming.

1. Agree to disagree, this leads to nothing.

2. Can you backup your statement that nvidia is the least relevant graphics card manufacturer in gaming? Keep in mind, they are also powering a lot of Android-devices, the PS3 *and* sell graphic-solutions for pc (and notebooks).


2. Well, AMD GPUs are in every next gen system (and the 360). How many pc gamers that have nvidia cards are there out here compared to consoles?

It is your turn to prove your statement that nvidia is the least relevant gpu manufacturer. Looks as if you don't have any *data* that supports your point. It's ok to argue this way (read: with no data) if someone has a strong belief in his own opinion but it doesn't help discussing.

To show you what I mean, look over here: http://www.nasdaq.com/article/nvidias-dominance-in-gpus-and-higher-tegra-sales-lift-outlook-cm218257

If you can find anything to prove your point, feel free to provide a link, too.


As I said gaming GPUs, not just any GPU. PC gaming is still relatively niche compared to console gaming (when it comes to everywhere but China).