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Scoobes said:
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
D-Minaj225 said:
Feel bad for Nintendo they were hyping third party support last E3 and it looks like most of them are completely ignoring them


Nintendo doesn't give a **** about Western developers or needs, they've completely divorced themselves from that sphere when they washed their hands of Rare, Factor 5, Left Field, etc. etc. etc. and went a completely different hardware route with the Wii. 

That's why the Wii was made to expand the gaming audience, and be cheap and easy to develop for, right? Because Nintendo didn't care about developer's needs to go suicide themselves making expensive games on expensive hardware?

That's arguable. Much of development on Wii was dependent on the tools Nintendo provided. Plus the GPU on Wii had an older architecture that didn't have shader units like the PS3 and 360 GPUs meaning some effects that should have been simple to incorporate required more work to pull off.


Not to mention that the WIi came out a whole year after 360 by that time alot of devs had already started HD development already, funny how some people wnat to forget that.



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oniyide said:
KungKras said:
Otakumegane said:
KungKras said:
JakDaSnack said:



What game on a Nintendo platform, that launched side by side with other versions (NOT CoD BLOPS2) and wasn't gimped in any way didn't sell well? Soul Calibur 2 on GC outsold the PS2 version. CoD 3 on Wii, despite being gimped outsold the PS3 version. People learned their lession about CoD on Wii after that though...

Link sold that one.

You're not answering my question.


actually SC2 sold BEST on PS2, not GC, speaking of which just about every multiplat game released between PS2/xbox/GC sold better on PS2. same for PS/N64, so that should answer your question

What multiplats were released at the same time for N64/PS1?

As for GC, if you factor in attach rate, I don't think the Nintendo audience did that bad.



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M.U.G.E.N said:
 

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360

When are the third party apologists going to get that the third parties *are* out to get Nintendo? There's a long history of third parties double-dealing, self-sabotoging, and saying downright insulting things to Nintendo to a far greater degree than their dealings with any other manufacturer in history.

The simple fact is that third parties are either stupider than any business should be, or they are being malevolent. It depends on your outlook of human nature, but it doesn't bode well for any of them either way.

I'm willing to accept that there will be difficulties due to the hardware's strength, but the other side has to realize that the anti-Nintendo sentiment in the industry is very real, and not a "tin-foil hat" thing.

Edit: i'd like to add that if you look at my signature, i'm perfectly willing to give third party games a chance if they're quality games, despite the fact that Capcom is worthy of many a Nintendo fans' grudge after their double-dealing with Wii last generation. The hate is largely on principle, and doesn't bear out if a game is actually worth purchasing.



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Mr Khan said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
 

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360

When are the third party apologists going to get that the third parties *are* out to get Nintendo? There's a long history of third parties double-dealing, self-sabotoging, and saying downright insulting things to Nintendo to a far greater degree than their dealings with any other manufacturer in history.

The simple fact is that third parties are either stupider than any business should be, or they are being malevolent. It depends on your outlook of human nature, but it doesn't bode well for any of them either way.

I'm willing to accept that there will be difficulties due to the hardware's strength, but the other side has to realize that the anti-Nintendo sentiment in the industry is very real, and not a "tin-foil hat" thing.

Edit: i'd like to add that if you look at my signature, i'm perfectly willing to give third party games a chance if they're quality games, despite the fact that Capcom is worthy of many a Nintendo fans' grudge after their double-dealing with Wii last generation. The hate is largely on principle, and doesn't bear out if a game is actually worth purchasing.

third party's were anti everybody since the playstation brand dominated, remember saturn, dreamcast and xbox they got crap third party support just like nintendo, its all about making money, nintendo hasn'been able to move forward with third party's like microsoft did cause they havent made the right moves, they miss out on a whole generation of online play and nextgen games, where most third party' made there living from, you expect them to care about nintendo, when they think they can't make money with them. you also forgot right off the bat the 360 third party games sold great, almost most third party games sold in the millions, third party's jumped on board, its just the way things works, everybody loves the green.



keroncoward said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360


The guy that hacked the Wii U and did the benchmark test said himself that the Wii U's CPU is not weaker than current gen so i dont know where he got all that information from. Clock speed does not mean power (must we go over this again and again?) You wouldnt correct him for his obvious well known bias here but you are quick to ramble with me.


who was the guy you are referring to? Marcan? Could you provide a link or something. Would like to give it a look

 

I already told you where a portion of his info comes from. Here's a link about the GPU

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511628

Here's the CPU

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513471

These are as legit as they come and people (and yes these people include those who are big fans of Nintendo) have analyzed these things for a long ass time. The current estimates will be very close to reality 

Now again, my issue with you is not arguing against him..it's ethomaz...everyone argues with him lol But you do so without calling him a troll, that he is biased etc. It happens too much now. I would love to read a good argument from both sides on the matter as well :)



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Mr Khan said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

The simple fact is that third parties are either stupider than any business should be, or they are being malevolent.

Or they don't see a significant enough profit resulting from investing in the Wii U. Maybe that money could be better spent elsewhere.



ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Mr Khan said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Is he saying because its underpowered or because they dont want to port it? Im confused as to what focusing on porting to PS4 and 720 means. He did say it was possible to port it before so i dont know what to believe anymore. Why are these articles never specific and to the point? Are the people asking the questions brain dead or something?

FROM IGN


"Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

 

basically power wise wiiu is currentgen, and unreal engine 4 is for nextgen technology.


UE4 is possible on smart phones that is weaker than the Wii U. 

its not possible on smart phones, this was never confirmed, maybe in 6 years from now it will possible on phones, but as now even mark rein, makes it clear the engine was made to run on powerful hardware that at least 8 x more powerful then current gen. ps3, 360, wiiu would explode trying to those tech demos, what makes you think a smart phoine can.

They claimed scalability was a big part of the feature-set. Or was that marketing spin?


I think everyone purposefully forgot that part just to bash a certain system.

good point, we forgot that part because mark rien  told yesterday, that its not for 360, ps3 or wiiu, it made for nextgen tech,meaning those console are not powerful enough to run it, he even laughed.


He also said it was for phones weaker than the Wii U.



M.U.G.E.N said:
keroncoward said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360


The guy that hacked the Wii U and did the benchmark test said himself that the Wii U's CPU is not weaker than current gen so i dont know where he got all that information from. Clock speed does not mean power (must we go over this again and again?) You wouldnt correct him for his obvious well known bias here but you are quick to ramble with me.


who was the guy you are referring to? Marcan? Could you provide a link or something. Would like to give it a look

 

I already told you where a portion of his info comes from. Here's a link about the GPU

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511628

Here's the CPU

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513471

These are as legit as they come and people (and yes these people include those who are big fans of Nintendo) have analyzed these things for a long ass time. The current estimates will be very close to reality 

Now again, my issue with you is not arguing against him..it's ethomaz...everyone argues with him lol But you do so without calling him a troll, that he is biased etc. It happens too much now. I would love to read a good argument from both sides on the matter as well :)


Marcan said himself on his twitter account around the same time but i wouldnt expect news like that to be taken seriously here. Im not going to go searching around Twitter just to find one quote. The fact that you agree with ethomaz (whatever the troll's name is) already confirms where your mind is set.



keroncoward said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Mr Khan said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Is he saying because its underpowered or because they dont want to port it? Im confused as to what focusing on porting to PS4 and 720 means. He did say it was possible to port it before so i dont know what to believe anymore. Why are these articles never specific and to the point? Are the people asking the questions brain dead or something?

FROM IGN


"Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

 

basically power wise wiiu is currentgen, and unreal engine 4 is for nextgen technology.


UE4 is possible on smart phones that is weaker than the Wii U. 

its not possible on smart phones, this was never confirmed, maybe in 6 years from now it will possible on phones, but as now even mark rein, makes it clear the engine was made to run on powerful hardware that at least 8 x more powerful then current gen. ps3, 360, wiiu would explode trying to those tech demos, what makes you think a smart phoine can.

They claimed scalability was a big part of the feature-set. Or was that marketing spin?


I think everyone purposefully forgot that part just to bash a certain system.

good point, we forgot that part because mark rien  told yesterday, that its not for 360, ps3 or wiiu, it made for nextgen tech,meaning those console are not powerful enough to run it, he even laughed.


He also said it was for phones weaker than the Wii U.

who cares what he said a months ago, now he' s saying it won't support cuurent gen,he did some body could scale it down to  current gen but unreal engine 3 is already good enough for those consoles, so it wouldn't be worth it, its like trying to unreal engine 3 on xbox, not worth the effort, they think.



keroncoward said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
keroncoward said:
M.U.G.E.N said:

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360


The guy that hacked the Wii U and did the benchmark test said himself that the Wii U's CPU is not weaker than current gen so i dont know where he got all that information from. Clock speed does not mean power (must we go over this again and again?) You wouldnt correct him for his obvious well known bias here but you are quick to ramble with me.


who was the guy you are referring to? Marcan? Could you provide a link or something. Would like to give it a look

 

I already told you where a portion of his info comes from. Here's a link about the GPU

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=511628

Here's the CPU

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=513471

These are as legit as they come and people (and yes these people include those who are big fans of Nintendo) have analyzed these things for a long ass time. The current estimates will be very close to reality 

Now again, my issue with you is not arguing against him..it's ethomaz...everyone argues with him lol But you do so without calling him a troll, that he is biased etc. It happens too much now. I would love to read a good argument from both sides on the matter as well :)


Marcan said himself on his twitter account around the same time but i wouldnt expect news like that to be taken seriously here. Im not going to go searching around Twitter just to find one quote. The fact that you agree with ethomaz (whatever the troll's name is) already confirms where your mind is set.

from what i read the main problem with the wiiu cpu, is it has no simd support, making it extremely hard to work with.