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ninjablade on 30 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Is he saying because its underpowered or because they dont want to port it? Im confused as to what focusing on porting to PS4 and 720 means. He did say it was possible to port it before so i dont know what to believe anymore. Why are these articles never specific and to the point? Are the people asking the questions brain dead or something?

FROM IGN


"Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

 

basically power wise wiiu is currentgen, and unreal engine 4 is for nextgen technology.


UE4 is possible on smart phones that is weaker than the Wii U. 

its not possible on smart phones, this was never confirmed, maybe in 6 years from now it will possible on phones, but as now even mark rein, makes it clear the engine was made to run on powerful hardware that at least 8 x more powerful then current gen. ps3, 360, wiiu would explode trying to those tech demos, what makes you think a smart phoine can.

They claimed scalability was a big part of the feature-set. Or was that marketing spin?

it seems so, if it was scalable it would be on 360, ps3 and wiiu, but its gonna be impossible for those consoles to run the engine, just look at the tech demos there so far ahead of anything weve seen before, even ps4 will need serious optimization to run it 1080p 30fps locked.



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M.U.G.E.N on 30 March 2013
Scoobes said:
ethomaz said:

hinch said:

Not really. Nintendo misread the market by putting too much focus on the controller. Instead of trying to invigorate the market by controls, they should have made a machine for the future of the industry. This means talking to devs, getting out there and asking what was wrong with their previous machines and how they could improve on it. Letting old habits die hard and try and change the flaws of their past mistakes.

I mean look at Sony.. And how they designed of the PS2, 3 and 4. For the PS2/3, Ken Keturagi basically said to devs - hey look, we make the machines.. you make games for it. Its complicated but what can you do. And when that came back and bit them in the ass they changed their tune. So, for the PS4 they went our of their way and talked to them, had input on the device and what they should do with it. Looked at where the industry was going.. and what needed to be done to stay relevant.

The bottom line is.. noone really wanted another console like the ones that are already on the market (This generation has already gone on for too long..). And noone asked for an tablet to be built into a controller when they already similar devices which do things a lot better. Nintendo designed the console to suit their games and so, its down to them to get third party developers on their system.

This. I full agree.

Nintendo should try to be nice to developers to try to discuss the future Wii U hardware to make a machine that makes every part happy.

Ironically Sony is trying to do this for the first time.

When Nintendo announced the WiiU didn't they claim that they "asked developers what they wanted"? It seems quite odd that the power difference between PS4/720 and WiiU is so great if that were truly the case.

Perhaps Nintendo only asked a small group of developers, or the launch was much later than research phase, meaning the consultations were outdated by the time the console was released. Either way, Nintendo appear to have made a mistake on the tech side of things.

well they can always ask without actually doing what were being told to do :P



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keroncoward on 30 March 2013
M.U.G.E.N said:
keroncoward said:


Those were speculation and it makes no sense. There is no way the Wii U can have a mere Wii CPU without having major problems with the console. People claiming the CPU is old archetecture would be surprised to know PS4 X86 CPU archetecture is from 1978 which would make it older than Wii U. Stop with the biased nonsense and trolling already cause when PS4 launches (trust me it will have trolls just like you) you will not have any reason to complain.


what a load of nonsense...IF you won't prove him wrong do it with facts...especially since his estimates come from many many people examining actual scans of the hardware provided by professionals. Get out of the denial valley and stop calling others trolls. He is being perfectly respectful to others and doing his best to give you information...


You already canceled yourself out with the statement "especially since his estimates come from many many people examining actual scans of the hardware provided by professionals".  Estimates are not facts and what he posted there makes no sense. Even if the Wii U GPU was on par with PS3 and you put a Wii CPU in there the system would not be able to run because of the huge bottleneck. Its actually funny now because all the people that claimed Broadway CPU was old archetecture cant discuss why PS4 X86 (1978) archetecture is even older than Broadway and also clocked lower than PS3. The hate and bias has to stop somewhere cause as i said before you guys are setting yourselves for a trap when PS4 launches.



keroncoward on 30 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Is he saying because its underpowered or because they dont want to port it? Im confused as to what focusing on porting to PS4 and 720 means. He did say it was possible to port it before so i dont know what to believe anymore. Why are these articles never specific and to the point? Are the people asking the questions brain dead or something?

FROM IGN


"Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

 

basically power wise wiiu is currentgen, and unreal engine 4 is for nextgen technology.


UE4 is possible on smart phones that is weaker than the Wii U. 

its not possible on smart phones, this was never confirmed, maybe in 6 years from now it will possible on phones, but as now even mark rein, makes it clear the engine was made to run on powerful hardware that at least 8 x more powerful then current gen. ps3, 360, wiiu would explode trying to those tech demos, what makes you think a smart phoine can.

They claimed scalability was a big part of the feature-set. Or was that marketing spin?


I think everyone purposefully forgot that part just to bash a certain system.



KungKras on 30 March 2013
Soundwave said:
D-Minaj225 said:
Feel bad for Nintendo they were hyping third party support last E3 and it looks like most of them are completely ignoring them


Nintendo doesn't give a **** about Western developers or needs, they've completely divorced themselves from that sphere when they washed their hands of Rare, Factor 5, Left Field, etc. etc. etc. and went a completely different hardware route with the Wii. 

That's why the Wii was made to expand the gaming audience, and be cheap and easy to develop for, right? Because Nintendo didn't care about developer's needs to go suicide themselves making expensive games on expensive hardware?



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Scoobes on 30 March 2013
M.U.G.E.N said:
Scoobes said:
ethomaz said:

hinch said:

Not really. Nintendo misread the market by putting too much focus on the controller. Instead of trying to invigorate the market by controls, they should have made a machine for the future of the industry. This means talking to devs, getting out there and asking what was wrong with their previous machines and how they could improve on it. Letting old habits die hard and try and change the flaws of their past mistakes.

I mean look at Sony.. And how they designed of the PS2, 3 and 4. For the PS2/3, Ken Keturagi basically said to devs - hey look, we make the machines.. you make games for it. Its complicated but what can you do. And when that came back and bit them in the ass they changed their tune. So, for the PS4 they went our of their way and talked to them, had input on the device and what they should do with it. Looked at where the industry was going.. and what needed to be done to stay relevant.

The bottom line is.. noone really wanted another console like the ones that are already on the market (This generation has already gone on for too long..). And noone asked for an tablet to be built into a controller when they already similar devices which do things a lot better. Nintendo designed the console to suit their games and so, its down to them to get third party developers on their system.

This. I full agree.

Nintendo should try to be nice to developers to try to discuss the future Wii U hardware to make a machine that makes every part happy.

Ironically Sony is trying to do this for the first time.

When Nintendo announced the WiiU didn't they claim that they "asked developers what they wanted"? It seems quite odd that the power difference between PS4/720 and WiiU is so great if that were truly the case.

Perhaps Nintendo only asked a small group of developers, or the launch was much later than research phase, meaning the consultations were outdated by the time the console was released. Either way, Nintendo appear to have made a mistake on the tech side of things.

well they can always ask without actually doing what were being told to do :P

Lol, true. I suspect that the majority of resources went into the design and engineering of the WiiU controller whilst the developer input was seen as a side note.




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M.U.G.E.N on 30 March 2013
keroncoward said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
keroncoward said:


Those were speculation and it makes no sense. There is no way the Wii U can have a mere Wii CPU without having major problems with the console. People claiming the CPU is old archetecture would be surprised to know PS4 X86 CPU archetecture is from 1978 which would make it older than Wii U. Stop with the biased nonsense and trolling already cause when PS4 launches (trust me it will have trolls just like you) you will not have any reason to complain.


what a load of nonsense...IF you won't prove him wrong do it with facts...especially since his estimates come from many many people examining actual scans of the hardware provided by professionals. Get out of the denial valley and stop calling others trolls. He is being perfectly respectful to others and doing his best to give you information...


You already canceled yourself out with the statement "especially since his estimates come from many many people examining actual scans of the hardware provided by professionals".  Estimates are not facts and what he posted there makes no sense. Even if the Wii U GPU was on par with PS3 and you put a Wii CPU in there the system would not be able to run because of the huge bottleneck. Its actually funny now because all the people that claimed Broadway CPU was old archetecture cant discuss why PS4 X86 (1978) archetecture is even older than Broadway and also clocked lower than PS3. The hate and bias has to stop somewhere cause as i said before you guys are setting yourselves for a trap when PS4 launches.

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360



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Scoobes on 30 March 2013
KungKras said:
Soundwave said:
D-Minaj225 said:
Feel bad for Nintendo they were hyping third party support last E3 and it looks like most of them are completely ignoring them


Nintendo doesn't give a **** about Western developers or needs, they've completely divorced themselves from that sphere when they washed their hands of Rare, Factor 5, Left Field, etc. etc. etc. and went a completely different hardware route with the Wii. 

That's why the Wii was made to expand the gaming audience, and be cheap and easy to develop for, right? Because Nintendo didn't care about developer's needs to go suicide themselves making expensive games on expensive hardware?

That's arguable. Much of development on Wii was dependent on the tools Nintendo provided. Plus the GPU on Wii had an older architecture that didn't have shader units like the PS3 and 360 GPUs meaning some effects that should have been simple to incorporate required more work to pull off.




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ninjablade on 30 March 2013
keroncoward said:
Mr Khan said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
ninjablade said:
keroncoward said:
Is he saying because its underpowered or because they dont want to port it? Im confused as to what focusing on porting to PS4 and 720 means. He did say it was possible to port it before so i dont know what to believe anymore. Why are these articles never specific and to the point? Are the people asking the questions brain dead or something?

FROM IGN


"Following an Unreal Engine presentation at 2013's Game Developer Conference, Rein clarifies his response to IGN, still laughing, "I just laugh at the question...Unreal Engine 4, we're not PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, or Wii U. It's next-gen technology. That's what we're aiming for."

 

basically power wise wiiu is currentgen, and unreal engine 4 is for nextgen technology.


UE4 is possible on smart phones that is weaker than the Wii U. 

its not possible on smart phones, this was never confirmed, maybe in 6 years from now it will possible on phones, but as now even mark rein, makes it clear the engine was made to run on powerful hardware that at least 8 x more powerful then current gen. ps3, 360, wiiu would explode trying to those tech demos, what makes you think a smart phoine can.

They claimed scalability was a big part of the feature-set. Or was that marketing spin?


I think everyone purposefully forgot that part just to bash a certain system.

good point, we forgot that part because mark rien  told yesterday, that its not for 360, ps3 or wiiu, it made for nextgen tech,meaning those console are not powerful enough to run it, he even laughed.



keroncoward on 30 March 2013
M.U.G.E.N said:
keroncoward said:
M.U.G.E.N said:
keroncoward said:


Those were speculation and it makes no sense. There is no way the Wii U can have a mere Wii CPU without having major problems with the console. People claiming the CPU is old archetecture would be surprised to know PS4 X86 CPU archetecture is from 1978 which would make it older than Wii U. Stop with the biased nonsense and trolling already cause when PS4 launches (trust me it will have trolls just like you) you will not have any reason to complain.


what a load of nonsense...IF you won't prove him wrong do it with facts...especially since his estimates come from many many people examining actual scans of the hardware provided by professionals. Get out of the denial valley and stop calling others trolls. He is being perfectly respectful to others and doing his best to give you information...


You already canceled yourself out with the statement "especially since his estimates come from many many people examining actual scans of the hardware provided by professionals".  Estimates are not facts and what he posted there makes no sense. Even if the Wii U GPU was on par with PS3 and you put a Wii CPU in there the system would not be able to run because of the huge bottleneck. Its actually funny now because all the people that claimed Broadway CPU was old archetecture cant discuss why PS4 X86 (1978) archetecture is even older than Broadway and also clocked lower than PS3. The hate and bias has to stop somewhere cause as i said before you guys are setting yourselves for a trap when PS4 launches.

Don't think he ever said it was 100% certain but these information were derived from the best methods possible. They were done with scans of the actual hardware that a company provided to gaf a while back for free (would have cost them a lot of money to get it done it too if they didn't get it for free. Argue with him using facts. What facts or estimates do you have? What are they based on? Why would they be better than the ones he provided? Have a proper discussion..both sides might learn things that way

WiiU IS weaker than many expected. The only ones setting themselves up is you folk who don't accept this. So many major developers have said the same. It's not they have some 'hate' towards Nintendo...it is what it is. Accept it and move on. Nintendo wanted to include the tablet controller so they cheaped out on the rest of the hardware to keep the price as low as possible and that's the reality. It's a huge risk..it worked for wii because it caught on with a whole new market that loved it! WiiU, at least as of now, doesn't seem to be anywhere near that. 

Again no one is OUT to get Nintendo. Not us nor the devs. It's upto them to turn the ship around and they are capable folk..I'm sure they will do fine. There is however no need to be so defensive of the fact that wiiu isn't much more powerful than the PS360


The guy that hacked the Wii U and did the benchmark test said himself that the Wii U's CPU is not weaker than current gen so i dont know where he got all that information from. Clock speed does not mean power (must we go over this again and again?) You wouldnt correct him for his obvious well known bias here but you are quick to ramble with me.