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Forums - Gaming Discussion - Epic confirms: Unreal Engine 4 is NOT coming to Wii U

UltimateUnknown on 30 March 2013
oniyide said:
Mr. Khan is so angry its hilarious

I know lol. I am just waiting for him to permaban ethomaz for showing him facts against the Wii U.



 

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FrancisNobleman on 30 March 2013
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

We are not getting into this crap again. Wii U is better than PS3 and 360. Full stop, end of discussion. Now.

I know... a PS360 1.1... the Wii U is not 50% better than PS360... most game will be equal... that is not a jump that Industry wanted... the Wii was way more powerful than GC, Xbox and PS2 than Wii U is comparaded to PS360.

Please elaborate.

Also, Where did you take that electronic and computer science Phd ? Maybe I'm attending the same university so I can also discuss about hardware which official specs haven't been released and compare it with others.

I would love to be able to discuss it and have the knowledge to that, but I'm just an average Joe, who doesn't have a single clue at electronics so I don't pretend to be a knowlegeable guy on that matter, it makes a fool of me next to people who actually do :)



oniyide on 30 March 2013
UltimateUnknown said:
oniyide said:
Mr. Khan is so angry its hilarious

I know lol. I am just waiting for him to permaban ethomaz for showing him facts against the Wii U.


LOL! Yeah im shocked it hasnt happened by now. Some people are really upset by this, like a family member was murdered.



hinch on 30 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

It's the industry's fault for being a bunch of myopic assclowns.

Why? Nintendo obvious didn't listen the industry and maybe made the worst console already created.

The Wii U is the answer to the industry's complaints about the Wii, and they get yet more scorn than they got even with the Wii. If anything, it's proof that the industry wants nothing but Nintendo's destruction.

The industry is determined to hate Nintendo. I'm just glad Nintendo's more mature than these assfaces. If it were me, i'd run hate ads against EA and Epic, and damn the expense.

Not really. Nintendo misread the market by putting too much focus on the controller. Instead of trying to invigorate the market by controls, they should have made a machine for the future of the industry. This means talking to devs, getting out there and asking what was wrong with their previous machines and how they could improve on it. Letting old habits die hard and try and change the flaws of their past mistakes.

I mean look at Sony.. And how they designed of the PS2, 3 and 4. For the PS2/3, Ken Keturagi basically said to devs - hey look, we make the machines.. you make games for it. Its complicated but what can you do. And when that came back and bit them in the ass they changed their tune. So, for the PS4 they went our of their way and talked to them, had input on the device and what they should do with it. Looked at where the industry was going.. and what needed to be done to stay relevant.

The bottom line is.. noone really wanted another console like the ones that are already on the market (This generation has already gone on for too long..). And noone asked for an tablet to be built into a controller when they already similar devices which do things a lot better. Nintendo designed the console to suit their games and so, its down to them to get third party developers on their system.



Barozi on 30 March 2013
DevilRising said:
This is a non-issue for me for the simple reason that I get sick and tired of seeing so many games made on the Unreal Engine as it is. I understand that some developers simply don't have the time or money to make their own game engines....but at the same time, I'm sorry....it just kind of strikes me as fucking lazy. And quite frankly, a LOT of the UE games I see, literally look the same.

I value two things above all else when it comes to video games: fun gameplay, and creativity of design, in that order. Graphics, sound, story, everything else is garnish. Those two key things are fundamental, I honestly feel a lot of modern games HAVE basically become "cut and paste".

I agree with you that many low-mid budget developers basically copied the Gears look and that's what they make so similar. They didn't bother to modify/tweak the engine a bit to get a different look.
But still there is a huge variety to be found in that engine

http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/03/videogames/m/detail/ps3xbox/mirrorsedge_02.jpg
http://www.daniel-daddelt.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Bioshock-Infinite-6.jpg
http://gamingirresponsibly.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/Kinect-Adventures-2.jpg
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2010/02/bioshock-2-review/bioshock_2_2010_38.jpg
http://www.videogameszone.de/screenshots/original/2012/03/Mass_Effect_3_Screenshots_Test_PS3_09.jpg
http://s.pro-gmedia.com/videogamer/media/images/xbox360/gears_of_war_3/screens/gears_of_war_3_92.jpg
https://www.2kgamesinternational.com/sites/default/files/game/en/borderlands-2-1627/screenshots/borderlands-2-nightstalkers.jpg
http://greatgamer.ru/images/screenshots/9913/screenshot_mortal_kombat_2011_6.jpg
http://www.hallofgaming.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Tribes-Ascend-Screenshot-5-Kopie.jpg
http://www.buffed.de/screenshots/original/2012/06/star_wars_1313_e3_2012_006.jpg
http://www.gameexperience.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/spec-ops-2.jpg
http://worldofvideogames.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/screenshot11.jpg
http://cdn2.dualshockers.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Enslaved_Highres_Screenshot_000061.jpg
http://www.gamingvlog.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/dmc-devil-may-cry-screenshot-11-01-2013-4.jpeg
http://zockah.de/wp-content/uploads/Tera-Screenshot-2.jpg



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chocoloco on 30 March 2013
oniyide said:
Mr. Khan is so angry its hilarious


Mr. Khan is a moderator, so hilarious.



oniyide on 30 March 2013
hinch said:
Mr Khan said:
ethomaz said:

Mr Khan said:

It's the industry's fault for being a bunch of myopic assclowns.

Why? Nintendo obvious didn't listen the industry and maybe made the worst console already created.

The Wii U is the answer to the industry's complaints about the Wii, and they get yet more scorn than they got even with the Wii. If anything, it's proof that the industry wants nothing but Nintendo's destruction.

The industry is determined to hate Nintendo. I'm just glad Nintendo's more mature than these assfaces. If it were me, i'd run hate ads against EA and Epic, and damn the expense.

Not really. Nintendo misread the market by putting too much focus on the controller. Instead of trying to invigorate the market by controls, they should have made a machine for the future of the industry. This means talking to devs, getting out there and asking what was wrong with their previous machines and how they could improve on it. Letting old habits die hard and try and change the flaws of their past mistakes.

I mean look at Sony.. And how they designed of the PS2, 3 and 4. For the PS2/3, Ken Keturagi basically said to devs - hey look, we make the machines.. you make games for it. Its complicated but what can you do. And when that came back and bit them in the ass they changed their tune. So, for the PS4 they went our of their way and talked to them, had input on the device and what they should do with it. Looked at where the industry was going.. and what needed to be done to stay relevant.

The bottom line is.. noone really wanted another console like the ones that are already on the market (This generation has already gone on for too long..). And noone asked for an tablet to be built into a controller when they already similar devices which do things a lot better. Nintendo designed the console to suit their games and so, its down to them to get third party developers on their system.


Brilliant the whole thing, too bad your time is wasted and he'll just say "EVIL 3rd PARTIES" with no explanation as to why. @bolded Ninty has always operated like that and IMHO it usually does not work out in the long run. Id say N64 and Wii are a testament to this and I see Wii U going down those paths which would be a shame.



ethomaz on 30 March 2013

FrancisNobleman said:

Please elaborate.

Also, Where did you take that electronic and computer science Phd ? Maybe I'm attending the same university so I can also discuss about hardware which official specs haven't been released and compare it with others.

I would love to be able to discuss it and have the knowledge to that, but I'm just an average Joe, who doesn't have a single clue at electronics so I don't pretend to be a knowlegeable guy on that matter, it makes a fool of me next to people who actually do :)

From the know facts...

- The Wii U CPU is weaker and run at slow clock than PS360 CPU.
- The Wii U GPU had ~350FLOFPS compared with ~250FLOPS for PS360.
- Thw Wii RAM is slower than the PS360 RAM.

Advantages...

+ Two times more RAM avaible to games (1GB vs ~500MB).
+ There are some special sauce, fixed functions or addicional hardware not related to graphcis to try to free up the CPU and GPU process.

That is all we know... there is no miracle or magic to make the Wii U perform way better than PS360... Optimizations will give a small advantage over PS360.

For me... sum everything I guess the Wii U is 50% more powerful than PS360... 1.5x PS360... The PS4 seems to be 8-10x and the Nextbox 6-7x... the gap is huge.

The Wii U is what the third-parties supose wanted to Wii to be but Nintendo is at least 5 years late.



ethomaz on 30 March 2013

hinch said:

Not really. Nintendo misread the market by putting too much focus on the controller. Instead of trying to invigorate the market by controls, they should have made a machine for the future of the industry. This means talking to devs, getting out there and asking what was wrong with their previous machines and how they could improve on it. Letting old habits die hard and try and change the flaws of their past mistakes.

I mean look at Sony.. And how they designed of the PS2, 3 and 4. For the PS2/3, Ken Keturagi basically said to devs - hey look, we make the machines.. you make games for it. Its complicated but what can you do. And when that came back and bit them in the ass they changed their tune. So, for the PS4 they went our of their way and talked to them, had input on the device and what they should do with it. Looked at where the industry was going.. and what needed to be done to stay relevant.

The bottom line is.. noone really wanted another console like the ones that are already on the market (This generation has already gone on for too long..). And noone asked for an tablet to be built into a controller when they already similar devices which do things a lot better. Nintendo designed the console to suit their games and so, its down to them to get third party developers on their system.

This. I full agree.

Nintendo should try to be nice to developers to try to discuss the future Wii U hardware to make a machine that makes every part happy.

Ironically Sony is trying to do this for the first time.



ethomaz on 30 March 2013
UltimateUnknown said:
oniyide said:
Mr. Khan is so angry its hilarious

I know lol. I am just waiting for him to permaban ethomaz for showing him facts against the Wii U.

I know you are joking but to be clear I'm not being offensive (I guess) and the Khan didn't say anything to make me upset with him too.

I think we were just trying to have a good discussion here.

If it or anybody else shows me some evidences then I can even change what I think about the Nintendo decisions over Wii U against the third-party support.