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They should probably prioritise FPS over the resolution. 1080p over 720p will only make a obvious difference for around half the audience (those with TV's over 40"), below that its starts to look the same.

Frame rate however will change the experience for everyone



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Shinobi-san said:
Andrespetmonkey said:
Barozi said:
Can't say it often enough.

1080p30FPS for singleplayer
720p60FPS for multiplayer

please !

A choice between both at any time would be great, but probably too much to ask.

edit: actually this would cause imbalances in multiplayer... 


Theres no ways Sony invested that much in its gpu and vram to be playing games at 720p. 1080p will be easily achieved by the PS4 in both single player and multiplayer. If they want to do 60fps and the game is too demanding they will simply pull back on the IQ. They wont move down to 720p.

I know this sounds like jusy my opinion, but if Sony was going to do 720p games there are other more suited gpu's for that. With lower power and cost.


This.

 

The GPU inside the PS4 is build for 1080p gaming. 32 Rops/72 TMUs/GDDR5 without 1080p this would be wasted money. Sony build a 1080p console it makes no sense to not go 1080p always. Because its not like you actually save much ressources except streamingcores doing 720p. We will not see 720p games anymore, the ressources would just sit there doing nothing.



anonim1979 said:
Battlefield 4 will be 60fps and 720p on PS4/X720

60fps and 720p or 1080p 30fps will be standard in next gens.
New Killzone runs at 30fps 1080p
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-killzone-shadow-fall-demo-tech-analysis

PS4 will have tablet class CPU (though 8 core one) clocked at 1,6Ghz with budget-level (even for today standards) GPU with power between Radeon 7830 and 7850.
You simply need to compromise with such hardware.
And X720 probably will be similar or even somewhat slower if leaks are true.

*FACEPALM*

No, PS4 specs aren't exactly going to match a $2000 PC, but you are greatly downplaying how powerful these specs are. 8 to 10x as powerful as the PS3.

The APU inside the PS4 greatly outperforms even the $600 iPads out there. Do I even need to mention the 8GB of GDDR5 RAM? Tablets are stuck with very cheap ordinary RAM. It is not optimal for games.

Look at the games we are getting on PS3/360. These are LOW-END GAMES. Tablets can't even match these curent-gen consoles. Do you understand how ridiculous your comment is now? Tablet class CPU my ass lmfao. I'd love for you to show me a tablet that even comes close to PS4s specs. 



teigaga said:
They should probably prioritise FPS over the resolution. 1080p over 720p will only make a obvious difference for around half the audience (those with TV's over 40"), below that its starts to look the same.

Frame rate however will change the experience for everyone

There's a huge differene between 1080p and 720p. I can easily see the differnce in my 20" monitor on Guild Wars 2.
I imagine the difference would be massive on a 40" HDTV.



Shinobi-san said:
superchunk said:
Shinobi-san said:

And honestly, where did your "7850M" comment come from? Im really interested.

The APUs use low-cost low-power GPUs and CPUs. The low-cost low-power GPU is the "M" or "D" classes AMD uses. It seems obvious that the GPU will relate far more to a mobile class GPU than the desktop. If its just downclocking, then so be it. However, from the details it looks like it loses other things like CUs and so forth.

As for the above specific quote, this is why my comparison thread has "HD7XXXM" as the GPU type. Which specific model, I haven't labelled as I dont' know and AMD/Sony haven't stated specifically. If I've ever put the rest of the digits, its usually in a quote from someone else. However, based on many, I think the HD78XXM is probably closer distinction.

My point with calling it a mobile GPU is just that. Its a low-cost low-power GPU which is by definition, the mobile series.

APU's can use whatever they want. As in the PS4's case it uses a desktop level GPU. There is no "mobile" equivalent, there is no low cost, low power gpu with the performance level of the PS4 gpu that exists today. Please get it right.

The 7970M is not low power or low cost, considering that its the same gpu as the 7870 this explains why. Your mobile talk is really just ridiculous now. And I wasnt talking about your comparison thread. In a recent other thread you directly called the ps4 gpu the 7850M and went as far as to bold the M. And like i said that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. Are you understanding yet or still gonna keep on with the same thing?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=157783

The HD7970M is low-power and far more likely. See thread linked.



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superchunk said:
Shinobi-san said:
superchunk said:
Shinobi-san said:

And honestly, where did your "7850M" comment come from? Im really interested.

The APUs use low-cost low-power GPUs and CPUs. The low-cost low-power GPU is the "M" or "D" classes AMD uses. It seems obvious that the GPU will relate far more to a mobile class GPU than the desktop. If its just downclocking, then so be it. However, from the details it looks like it loses other things like CUs and so forth.

As for the above specific quote, this is why my comparison thread has "HD7XXXM" as the GPU type. Which specific model, I haven't labelled as I dont' know and AMD/Sony haven't stated specifically. If I've ever put the rest of the digits, its usually in a quote from someone else. However, based on many, I think the HD78XXM is probably closer distinction.

My point with calling it a mobile GPU is just that. Its a low-cost low-power GPU which is by definition, the mobile series.

APU's can use whatever they want. As in the PS4's case it uses a desktop level GPU. There is no "mobile" equivalent, there is no low cost, low power gpu with the performance level of the PS4 gpu that exists today. Please get it right.

The 7970M is not low power or low cost, considering that its the same gpu as the 7870 this explains why. Your mobile talk is really just ridiculous now. And I wasnt talking about your comparison thread. In a recent other thread you directly called the ps4 gpu the 7850M and went as far as to bold the M. And like i said that is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay off. Are you understanding yet or still gonna keep on with the same thing?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=157783

The HD7970M is low-power and far more likely. See thread linked.

LOL you actually made a thread with completely wrong info congrats

Again theres no difference between the GPU's. Have fun deluding yourself bro.



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Well I guess this is good news for the few nerds who comprise the battlefield user-base. Honestly why devs care about if it runs at 60 FPS or 30 on consoles is rather pointless as your average player doesn't even know/care about such things.



Shinobi-san said:
superchunk said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=157783

The HD7970M is low-power and far more likely. See thread linked.

LOL you actually made a thread with completely wrong info congrats

Again theres no difference between the GPU's. Have fun deluding yourself bro.

Wrong info? Please show me in that thread.

No difference?

That's like saying a Toyota and Lexus are the same as they have similar base and company. There's a reason why the TDP drops by 1/2 between the desktop and mobile GPUs and its not just clock speed.

Yes, they have same basic features and can utilize the same tech. But one is significantly more powerful than the other.



NobleTeam360 said:
Well I guess this is good news for the few nerds who comprise the battlefield user-base. Honestly why devs care about if it runs at 60 FPS or 30 on consoles is rather pointless as your average player doesn't even know/care about such things.

Believe me, they know.

Difference between 30fps and 60fps can be very obvious in FPS games. Battlefield 3 on consoles actually feels like a bit of a mess to me because of the framerate and latency.



superchunk said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=157783

The HD7970M is low-power and far more likely. See thread linked.


Hmm. You are seriously mixing up things the stuff you posted in that link is misleading or even wrong.

7850 has 130 Watt BOARD POWER.

"AMD advertises the board power at 130W (7850) and 175W (7870), board power is different then the TDP. If you try and visualize the power control settings slider in the Catalyst center, then you'll realize that you can increase it 20% meaning at default the TDP is roughly 20% lower then AMD's 130W for the 7850 and 175W for the 7870."

So 20% from 130 Watt is 100 Watt TDP. Thats the stock TDP of the 7850.

The board allows you to go higher if you want to. So yes the7850 has a possible max TDP of 130 Watt. Meaning the Card is designed to cool the GPU if you run it at the max. Take the GPU redesign Card/Cooling and it maxes out at 200 Watt TDP. 

 

Now the 7970m has usually not a TDP of 75 but 100 Watt. But It CAN Have a TDP of 75 Watt and what it actually has depends on the engineer designing the Notebook which is not AMD.

 

You are wondering right now why there are so many different numbers on the net, if you have googled it. 

Well see TDP is variable it depends on the clocks and the strength of the cooling system/power supply. If you "overclock" a 7970m to 1 GHZ the TDP will be 175 Watt and you will have a 7870 GHZ Edition in your Notebook.

See a Notebook clocks a certain chip higher or lower depending on the battery. If you have a huge strong one you can have the GPU running higher power.

Well a PS4 can use Powerlines so they will not use low power because it makes no sense. (Unless your name is Nintendo).

 

Low Power wafers are the ones with  30 Watt 10 Watt.

 

A Gefore Titan Can be considered a mobile GPU if you carry a backpack with Hydrogencells around. 

 

Its really die size and Transistor count that determins how big a GPU is not TDP. And the PS4 GPU is bigger and can far exceed the power of a Desktop 7850. 

 

Where does low Power begin for you ? Desktop ranges from 20 Watt (7350) to 375+ Watt (7990) max TDP. 

"The TDP is reference design TDP values from AMD. Different non-reference board designs from vendors may lead to slight variations in actual TDP." 

 

The TDP tells people how much Temperature can be transported safely away without the GPU overheating. You can freeze a GPU to absolute Zero and make it a Superconductor and feed a it insane amounts of Watt. You can do it with a mobile GPU aswell as Desktop GPU. 

So low Power is determined on how much Power a certain chip gets and where do you think low power starts what are the criteria ?

 

 

You have no idea how much watts a PS4 GPU will need but I can tell you with 1.84 Tflop its highest end mobile TDP and Midrange Desktop TDP.

The GPU itself is bigger than a 7850 so please define how the PS4 GPU is low power, low cost, mobile GPU ? Is everything not high end low power to you ? Do you think PS4 can run on a Laptop battery ?