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Do you like Lost Odyssey?

Yes it's the best console JRPG this gen 28 9.49%
 
Yes, it's one of the better JRPG's 62 21.02%
 
Kinda, but it doesn't stand out 25 8.47%
 
It's Average 21 7.12%
 
Not really 14 4.75%
 
No, I Hate It 14 4.75%
 
I didn't play it because it's one 360 86 29.15%
 
See Results 45 15.25%
 
Total:295
Michael-5 said:
oniyide said:
Darc Requiem said:

 A JRPG fan  would have bought a 360 because lets be honest here, for the bulk of the last generation that's where the console JRPGs were. This wasn't a PSP and DS situation in which you could look at either platform for a JRPG fix. The Wii and PS3 had slim pickings when it came to JRPGs. So if you didn't buy a 360 when it was practically the sole source for JRPGs. Don't claim to be a JRPG fan.


oh please, how much Jrpgs are coming out for 360 this year? how about last year? year before that? Lets not act like 360 dominates that market. They havent in a while if ever, that honor goes to PSP and DS. And like you said yourself if you have either of those (and looking at sales, especially in Japan) alot of people have those. So that where you would get your JRPG fix and frankly a good amonut of those JRPGs ended up getting ported anyway.. I think LO and BD are the only actuall exclusives left

That's a bad arguement Darc Requiem is talking about 2008 where 360 had Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Blue Dragon, Project Sylpheed (Not a JRPG, but Square Enix exclusive with a JRPG like story) Star Ocean (still an exclusive then), Eternal Sonata (still and exclusive then), and Magna Carta 2 coming. PS3 at the time only had Folklore and Valkyria Chronicles. Plus FFXIII was announced as a multiplatform title. 2008 was a strong point for the 360 in JRPG's, and PS3 really had almost nothing. (bolded the still 360 exclusives)

360 DID Dominate the market in 2007/2008. Heck Wii had just as many JRPG's and PS3 in 2008 (Fire Emblem and Tales of Symphonia 2)

I'm a big JRPG fan and one of the reasons I bought my 360 in 2007 was because of all the exclusive JRPG's announced for the 360 at the time.

Now in 2011-2013, Sony has caught up to the 360 in terms of JRPG exclusives, and I would even agree offers more (when Xillia releases). So what Darc is saying is 100% true. Before you argue with him, read his posts. Most hardcore JRPG fans probably do have a 360 just for Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, and Infinite Undiscovery, but I think there are still a lot of JRPG fans on the PS3 now, which are glad to have a PS3 since it now has more JRPG's.

I did read his posts, im just asking whats the point? Why bring it up NOW, that was five years ago, and PS3 didnt just catch to them. They've been getting more support in this category for the past few years now. There are many factors why people didnt care back then, as stated it is a genre which is more popular in Japan where people there are just not buying MS systems, dont know why that is, gonna have to ask one of them. Another reason, at least for me, was probably RROD, lot of people were not willing to deal with that, i know i was. 



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oniyide said:
Michael-5 said:
oniyide said:
Darc Requiem said:

 A JRPG fan  would have bought a 360 because lets be honest here, for the bulk of the last generation that's where the console JRPGs were. This wasn't a PSP and DS situation in which you could look at either platform for a JRPG fix. The Wii and PS3 had slim pickings when it came to JRPGs. So if you didn't buy a 360 when it was practically the sole source for JRPGs. Don't claim to be a JRPG fan.


oh please, how much Jrpgs are coming out for 360 this year? how about last year? year before that? Lets not act like 360 dominates that market. They havent in a while if ever, that honor goes to PSP and DS. And like you said yourself if you have either of those (and looking at sales, especially in Japan) alot of people have those. So that where you would get your JRPG fix and frankly a good amonut of those JRPGs ended up getting ported anyway.. I think LO and BD are the only actuall exclusives left

That's a bad arguement Darc Requiem is talking about 2008 where 360 had Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Blue Dragon, Project Sylpheed (Not a JRPG, but Square Enix exclusive with a JRPG like story) Star Ocean (still an exclusive then), Eternal Sonata (still and exclusive then), and Magna Carta 2 coming. PS3 at the time only had Folklore and Valkyria Chronicles. Plus FFXIII was announced as a multiplatform title. 2008 was a strong point for the 360 in JRPG's, and PS3 really had almost nothing. (bolded the still 360 exclusives)

360 DID Dominate the market in 2007/2008. Heck Wii had just as many JRPG's and PS3 in 2008 (Fire Emblem and Tales of Symphonia 2)

I'm a big JRPG fan and one of the reasons I bought my 360 in 2007 was because of all the exclusive JRPG's announced for the 360 at the time.

Now in 2011-2013, Sony has caught up to the 360 in terms of JRPG exclusives, and I would even agree offers more (when Xillia releases). So what Darc is saying is 100% true. Before you argue with him, read his posts. Most hardcore JRPG fans probably do have a 360 just for Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, and Infinite Undiscovery, but I think there are still a lot of JRPG fans on the PS3 now, which are glad to have a PS3 since it now has more JRPG's.

I did read his posts, im just asking whats the point? Why bring it up NOW, that was five years ago, and PS3 didnt just catch to them. They've been getting more support in this category for the past few years now. There are many factors why people didnt care back then, as stated it is a genre which is more popular in Japan where people there are just not buying MS systems, dont know why that is, gonna have to ask one of them. Another reason, at least for me, was probably RROD, lot of people were not willing to deal with that, i know i was. 

This is a thread about a 2008 game, does that seem like a good reason to bring up a trend from 2008?

Also while PS3 has been seeing a lot more support then the 360 in terms of number of JRPG exclusives, in terms of the number of quality JRPG exclusives, I would say PS3 is only just tied or above with the 360 now. I wouldn't argue either opinion/case.

You can't compared games like Hyperdimension Neptunia to Lost Odyssey.

The way I see it, 360 has 2 outstanding JRPG exclusives, and 3 or 4 Good ones. PS3 has 3 outstanding JRPG exclusives (now with Ni no Kuni), and 1 more coming out, and 3 - 7 Good ones (depends if you consider Alteir good). Wii has 3 outstanding JRPG exclusives and 2 good ones. So either way, all 3 platforms now have a good selection of JRPG's.



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Michael-5 said:
oniyide said:
Michael-5 said:
oniyide said:
Darc Requiem said:

 A JRPG fan  would have bought a 360 because lets be honest here, for the bulk of the last generation that's where the console JRPGs were. This wasn't a PSP and DS situation in which you could look at either platform for a JRPG fix. The Wii and PS3 had slim pickings when it came to JRPGs. So if you didn't buy a 360 when it was practically the sole source for JRPGs. Don't claim to be a JRPG fan.


oh please, how much Jrpgs are coming out for 360 this year? how about last year? year before that? Lets not act like 360 dominates that market. They havent in a while if ever, that honor goes to PSP and DS. And like you said yourself if you have either of those (and looking at sales, especially in Japan) alot of people have those. So that where you would get your JRPG fix and frankly a good amonut of those JRPGs ended up getting ported anyway.. I think LO and BD are the only actuall exclusives left

That's a bad arguement Darc Requiem is talking about 2008 where 360 had Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Blue Dragon, Project Sylpheed (Not a JRPG, but Square Enix exclusive with a JRPG like story) Star Ocean (still an exclusive then), Eternal Sonata (still and exclusive then), and Magna Carta 2 coming. PS3 at the time only had Folklore and Valkyria Chronicles. Plus FFXIII was announced as a multiplatform title. 2008 was a strong point for the 360 in JRPG's, and PS3 really had almost nothing. (bolded the still 360 exclusives)

360 DID Dominate the market in 2007/2008. Heck Wii had just as many JRPG's and PS3 in 2008 (Fire Emblem and Tales of Symphonia 2)

I'm a big JRPG fan and one of the reasons I bought my 360 in 2007 was because of all the exclusive JRPG's announced for the 360 at the time.

Now in 2011-2013, Sony has caught up to the 360 in terms of JRPG exclusives, and I would even agree offers more (when Xillia releases). So what Darc is saying is 100% true. Before you argue with him, read his posts. Most hardcore JRPG fans probably do have a 360 just for Lost Odyssey, Tales of Vesperia, and Infinite Undiscovery, but I think there are still a lot of JRPG fans on the PS3 now, which are glad to have a PS3 since it now has more JRPG's.

I did read his posts, im just asking whats the point? Why bring it up NOW, that was five years ago, and PS3 didnt just catch to them. They've been getting more support in this category for the past few years now. There are many factors why people didnt care back then, as stated it is a genre which is more popular in Japan where people there are just not buying MS systems, dont know why that is, gonna have to ask one of them. Another reason, at least for me, was probably RROD, lot of people were not willing to deal with that, i know i was. 

This is a thread about a 2008 game, does that seem like a good reason to bring up a trend from 2008?

Also while PS3 has been seeing a lot more support then the 360 in terms of number of JRPG exclusives, in terms of the number of quality JRPG exclusives, I would say PS3 is only just tied or above with the 360 now. I wouldn't argue either opinion/case.

You can't compared games like Hyperdimension Neptunia to Lost Odyssey.

The way I see it, 360 has 2 outstanding JRPG exclusives, and 3 or 4 Good ones. PS3 has 3 outstanding JRPG exclusives (now with Ni no Kuni), and 1 more coming out, and 3 - 7 Good ones (depends if you consider Alteir good). Wii has 3 outstanding JRPG exclusives and 2 good ones. So either way, all 3 platforms now have a good selection of JRPG's.


I think they are all mediocore but thats neither here nor there. Its just a strange topic, its late in the day to be talking about this game and honestly? Its the wrong audience. 360 is more popular in the US than PS3 anyway, so the audience is not the issue, the issue is the Japanese, which again i say is kinda moot because their are not Japanese in these forums, so he's asking questions which we cant really answer. It goes way beyond LO



I got a 360 specifically because of Lost Odyssey loved it. My only problem is the level capping. I hated that. I love the feeling of being overpowered because I simply trained my ass off for hours on end. The fact that it took that away from me and then it was Random Encounters just made the REs more annoying. Its one thing to get hit with a battle every so often but the fact that I got hit with them frequently and I couldn't even Level up after a certain while was just BS



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ShadowSoldier said:
I got a 360 specifically because of Lost Odyssey loved it. My only problem is the level capping. I hated that. I love the feeling of being overpowered because I simply trained my ass off for hours on end. The fact that it took that away from me and then it was Random Encounters just made the REs more annoying. Its one thing to get hit with a battle every so often but the fact that I got hit with them frequently and I couldn't even Level up after a certain while was just BS

What pissed me off was that treasure trove achievement (the one for opening every chest in that game). I apparently missed one, even though I used a guide, and because of the random encounters (and 2 impossible to return to chests), I'm not going to try to go and look for it. Sucks because it takes me away from a perfect score and a complete game. I really wanted to max this game out.



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Michael-5 said:
Wright said:
Otakumegane said:
I've wanted a 360 since tales of Vesperia.

But...I had no $$.

Now that gen's ending i'll pcik up a PS3 and play the Jprgs there.


Wait until Nextbox is announced, then wait a little more until Ps4 and the Nextbox are released. The price for a Ps3 or a Xbox must be really low by then.

 

Then you should aim for:

(360) -> Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Magna Carta 2, Tales of Vesperia, Ninety-nine nights (not exactly an RPG) and some others. Project Sylpheed (Spaceship shooter, with a JRPG like story, mediocre reviews only because it's a 4-5 hour game), Too Human (It's Not JRPG, and labeled an Action Adventure Game, but trust me it's much more of an RPG then Nier or Mass Effect, and it's good despite the ratings)

(Ps3) -> The Atelier series, Ni No Kuni, a new Tales of game (Graces f and Xillia), Demon's Souls, White Knight Chronicles, Valkiria Chronicles, Folklore! and some others too.

(Multi-platform) -> Star Ocean: The Last Hope, FFXIII/XIII-2, Catherine (Puzzle), Enchanted Arms (it's okay)

(Wii) -> XenoBlade Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Tales of Symphonia 2

 

If owned both, then you've also got: Eternal Sonata, Dark Souls, Resonance of Fate, Nier...

That's a great idea! I picked up a replacement PS2 last year for $40, I'm sure 360 will crash too in a couple years.

However that's a terrible list of games, Ninty Nine Nights? Really? Have you played that game? It's crap! Last Remnant is also laggy as hell, and Blue Dragon is meh, same with Atelier. Nier isn't that special either, it feels unfinished, and the endings are pretty lame and unsatisfying.


Christ, you almost stroke my entire list!

 

While most of them are pretty crappy, I like 'em. I can play average games and like them: The Last Remnant is pretty crappy, but I'm loving it so far. Other than the technical issues (and No New Game +) the game is good. Nier is good too, just felt short of expectations. Can't say I've tried Ninety Nine Nights, though.

 

I didn't mention the Wii. My mistake. You should however strike Tales of Symphonia 2. That game is just a mess and it destroy whatever awesome story Symphonia 1 had within the first five minutes of the game.

 

And don't you dare not mentioning the Atelier series! D: I would buy a Ps3 for 'em.



Michael-5 said:
ShadowSoldier said:
I got a 360 specifically because of Lost Odyssey loved it. My only problem is the level capping. I hated that. I love the feeling of being overpowered because I simply trained my ass off for hours on end. The fact that it took that away from me and then it was Random Encounters just made the REs more annoying. Its one thing to get hit with a battle every so often but the fact that I got hit with them frequently and I couldn't even Level up after a certain while was just BS

What pissed me off was that treasure trove achievement (the one for opening every chest in that game). I apparently missed one, even though I used a guide, and because of the random encounters (and 2 impossible to return to chests), I'm not going to try to go and look for it. Sucks because it takes me away from a perfect score and a complete game. I really wanted to max this game out.


Perhaps you've missed a chest in an area you can't go back? That would solve things pretty good. Just go to the Auction in the Port City and purchase whatever item is left. That unlocks the achievement too.



Torillian said:
Mad55 said:
Torillian said:
Mad55 said:

lol JRPg's are niche in general. Lost odyssey wasn't some super big budgeted game like final fantasy. but yea its all good lol.


Lost Odyssey didn't have a super big budget but it certainly had a bigger budget than all the games you listed.  Hell it might have a bigger budget than all those games combined, unless you think that Lost Odyssey's production values come from just being better at coding for no increased cost for some reason. 

I wish companies would put out budgets for games like movies do so I can stop seeing ridiculous things like comparing Lost Odyssey to Hyperdimension Neptunia.  

I think its budget was higher but not by much.  also a higher budget doesn't guarantee higher sales. 

A TV commercial certainly does.  You show me a TV commercial for any of those supposedly just as Niche JRPGs that you listed.  Hell, Demon's Souls and VC didn't have TV commercials either even though they're probably closer to the budget of Lost Odyssey.  

Budgets aren't higher by much?  Atelier titles continue to get sequels before Western sales even come in, so Atelier Ayesha got a sequel based off of 130,000 sales in Japan.  That's the kind of budget those games have, do you honestly think Lost Odyssey would make a profit off of 130,000 sales?

The idea of comparing "new IP JRPG selling ability" by looking at games in completely different situations is ridiculous.  Want a new IP JRPG to look at?Resonance of Fate which is actually a reasonable comparison because they're in the exact same situation.  Same game, same budgets, same marketting campaigns, and it's a new IP.  

If two jrgs come out at the same time with the same development budget and one has a commercial and the other doesnt and the one with the commercial sucks ass and the one without the commercial is incredible and their both new IPs ill say the one without the commercial will do betteroverall. 



Chris Hu said:
outlawauron said:
Michael-5 said:

ever rant about Lost Odyssey?

IMO, it's the best console JRPG released in the 7th generation. I liked it better then XenoBlade Chronicles, Valkyria Chronicles, and Tales of Vesperia. I think it has the deepest story out of the 3, it's tied for the longest at 60 hours (maybe a bi shorter then Xeno), really interesting backstory with dreams and immortality, and it's made by the creator of Final Fantasy.

2. Already the "because it's on 360" option is dominating, so I'll ask this. Why don't you guys consider buying a 360 Arcade to play Lost Odyssey and other JRPG exclusives on the 360 like Tales of Vesperia, Magna Carta 2, and Infinite Undiscovery? During Black Friday/Boxing Day in Canada and USA I commonly see Arcade 360's for $129.99 and Lost Odyssey and Tales of Vesperia are $20/$30 games now respectively, plus all other JRPG exclusives are about $10.

P.S. Sorry about the type being "one" 360. I can't edit it because it will clear the poll. Shame that that's the response that's most common because I honestly do like it over all other console JRPG's this gen.

Outright lie. I did everything in LO outside of finishing the end game dungeon and I was under 40 hours. I'm also a very slow player.

I absolutely loved it though. Favorite 360 game without question.

You must be very good at JRPG's then it took me almost 100 hours the first time I beat it but I did do a lot of level grinding in the game and for a game with radom enemy encounters at times its a bit too random.

Doesn't see how it could have taken anyone that long. I even maxed out all of the mortals and got the achievements for it. Considering how easy it was to level up (and how broken some of the mages are), I never had muhc trouble past the first disc.



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Michael-5 said:
Wright said:
Otakumegane said:
I've wanted a 360 since tales of Vesperia.

But...I had no $$.

Now that gen's ending i'll pcik up a PS3 and play the Jprgs there.


Wait until Nextbox is announced, then wait a little more until Ps4 and the Nextbox are released. The price for a Ps3 or a Xbox must be really low by then.

 

Then you should aim for:

(360) -> Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Infinite Undiscovery, The Last Remnant, Magna Carta 2, Tales of Vesperia, Ninety-nine nights (not exactly an RPG) and some others. Project Sylpheed (Spaceship shooter, with a JRPG like story, mediocre reviews only because it's a 4-5 hour game), Too Human (It's Not JRPG, and labeled an Action Adventure Game, but trust me it's much more of an RPG then Nier or Mass Effect, and it's good despite the ratings)

(Ps3) -> The Atelier series, Ni No Kuni, a new Tales of game (Graces f and Xillia), Demon's Souls, White Knight Chronicles, Valkiria Chronicles, Folklore! and some others too.

(Multi-platform) -> Star Ocean: The Last Hope, FFXIII/XIII-2, Catherine (Puzzle), Enchanted Arms (it's okay)

(Wii) -> XenoBlade Chronicles, Fire Emblem: Radiant Dawn, The Last Story, Pandora's Tower, Tales of Symphonia 2

 

If owned both, then you've also got: Eternal Sonata, Dark Souls, Resonance of Fate, Nier...

That's a great idea! I picked up a replacement PS2 last year for $40, I'm sure 360 will crash too in a couple years.

However that's a terrible list of games, Ninty Nine Nights? Really? Have you played that game? It's crap! Last Remnant is also laggy as hell, and Blue Dragon is meh, same with Atelier. Nier isn't that special either, it feels unfinished, and the endings are pretty lame and unsatisfying.

I dearly hope you weren't the ones crossing out the titles.



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