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Should rich people pay more for traffic fines?

Yes 29 46.77%
 
No 33 53.23%
 
Total:62

Also there is already a point system thats a bigger deterrent than monetary fines.

there's no justification that people have to ask for people who make more money than them to pay more for the exact same thing.

What about the MD who makes a shit ton a year but lives in a shanty because of his debt from school.

This suggestion is absurd on so many levels



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Max King of the Wild said:
thranx said:
Max King of the Wild said:
thranx said:
Max King of the Wild said:
wow cant believe yes is winning. that ever happens ill be sure to dodge all fines


Is there a reason you are against it or why you dont believe yes is winning?

Charging someone more because the make more... thats just fucking backwards and greedy. What about drug dealers who make 0 dollars a year and drive an escalade? What about people who make 60k a year and have their house in forcloser? What about people who make 140k a year and have 6 dependants?

a traffic fine is supposed to be a punishment for breaking a law. $100 fine to someone who only makes 500 a week is a punishment, a 100 fine for someone who makes 1,000 or more a week is not as bad as a punishment. Same when they make even more. This isnt taxes here, this is punishing someone for breaking a law. The Germans do it pretty well from what I have read, and they do take those kind of scenarios into thought, maybe not the drug dealer one.

 

But for the drug dealer one I would say make drugs legal, his income is than legal, and he will fined based on his income, so no issue than

I'd like to know what infraction only costs 100$'s

I don't know what you think of the legal system but it is already over worked and clogged to all shit. A simple speeding ticket takes over a month to get a court date. I havent made any progress in over a year with a custody case. I have no clue who you think would have time to sort out all the bullshit to determine the fine but it would be impractical and costly. Also income is not static so its not like you can base it off last years because someone could have a kid or no job by the time he gets pulled over

The Germans can do it, so can we, they base it off of your last years income, but should there be a massive change in that income you can petition to have it based on current income. Not too hard. I am not of the mind that its hard so lets not do it. Our court system is bogged down by our antiquated drug laws.



How about some mandatory community service or jail time?
Picking up trash on the streets has to be able to deter some offenses.



Max King of the Wild said:
Also there is already a point system thats a bigger deterrent than monetary fines.

there's no justification that people have to ask for people who make more money than them to pay more for the exact same thing.

What about the MD who makes a shit ton a year but lives in a shanty because of his debt from school.

This suggestion is absurd on so many levels


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wfz said:
Making rich people pay more for things doesn't make any sense to me. What is this leading to, making them pay more for gas? More for food? More for insaurance? More for rent?

Yeah, let's just charge everyone a flat % of their income so everyone essentially makes the same amount of money at the end of the day.


It makes alittle bit of sense in theory. I know many people who don't care about fines at all and put their cars everywhere. Because the amount they have to pay is way to small to affect them negativly. There is however the point system which takes away your license and people do fear that so its infact questionable if higher fines for rich people makes sense. I agree its not effective. It is more of a cosmetic effect.

@Max if you have depts or responsibilities they won't treat you like a rich person all dues are accounted for and influence the fine.

 

 

 



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Netyaroze said:
wfz said:
Making rich people pay more for things doesn't make any sense to me. What is this leading to, making them pay more for gas? More for food? More for insaurance? More for rent?

Yeah, let's just charge everyone a flat % of their income so everyone essentially makes the same amount of money at the end of the day.


It makes alittle bit of sense in theory. I know many people who don't care about fines at all and put their cars everywhere. Because the amount they have to pay is way to small to affect them negativly. There is however the point system which takes away your license and people do fear that so its infact questionable if higher fines for rich people makes sense. I agree its not effective. It is more of a cosmetic effect.

@Max if you have depts or responsibilities they won't treat you like a rich person all dues are accounted for and influence the fine.

 

 

 


LOL!!!! Youre joking right? The reason I got married was because my wifes dad makes 130k a year (before taxes) with 6 dependants and Fafsa said her EFC was 30k a year. LOL!!!! and who would determine the fine? THE COURTS! They wont take everything into consideration. They wont nearly have the man hours to sort through that crap. Look at the fucking social services. LOL LOL LOL!



Any fine should be based on income. It's what makes sense.



Galaki said:
How about some mandatory community service or jail time?
Picking up trash on the streets has to be able to deter some offenses.

Yup, definitely for repeat offenders. And also raise the fine on repeat offenses.
3rd strike, a fine high enough to cover for what it costs to put you through the community service system.

It depends of course if you actually want to change peoples behaviour or make some money. I believe the Netherlands leans more to the latter with a fully automated system from speed camera to a bill send to your home address. Based on some formula for every km/u measured over 3 km/u over the speed limit, ranging from 23 euros to 300 euros.
Ofcourse technology isn't perfect, for example a tractor got a fine for doing 144 km/u on the highway.

Here they impose your car if you're caught racing. But I guess a million dollar fine works too:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/110081327904/1-million-speeding-fine-in-switzerland-for-swedish-sls

Anyway a simple 100 dollar fine is not going to change anyones behaviour.
Losing your car, license or your time for repeat offenses or excessive offenses works much better.



Max King of the Wild said:
Netyaroze said:
wfz said:
Making rich people pay more for things doesn't make any sense to me. What is this leading to, making them pay more for gas? More for food? More for insaurance? More for rent?

Yeah, let's just charge everyone a flat % of their income so everyone essentially makes the same amount of money at the end of the day.


It makes alittle bit of sense in theory. I know many people who don't care about fines at all and put their cars everywhere. Because the amount they have to pay is way to small to affect them negativly. There is however the point system which takes away your license and people do fear that so its infact questionable if higher fines for rich people makes sense. I agree its not effective. It is more of a cosmetic effect.

@Max if you have depts or responsibilities they won't treat you like a rich person all dues are accounted for and influence the fine.

 

 

 


LOL!!!! Youre joking right? The reason I got married was because my wifes dad makes 130k a year (before taxes) with 6 dependants and Fafsa said her EFC was 30k a year. LOL!!!! and who would determine the fine? THE COURTS! They wont take everything into consideration. They wont nearly have the man hours to sort through that crap. Look at the fucking social services. LOL LOL LOL!

Dude calm down, I was refering to how its handled in Germany where appearently the documentary referenced in the OP took place.

  If you get 200k a year but have 3 kids and insane dues than you won't be fined as someone who gets the same without any responsibilities. You can earn 200k in Germany and still be judged as a poor person. They factor in everything since the fines are measured on how much money actually arrives in your hands after everything else was subtracted. And how it gets done. Well we have one of the most complicated tax systems worldwide and judges know instantly how much money you actually really have. They don't even need to do much it gets done automatically.

Also if you think they calculated something wrong you can appeal and they will check your case. But that doesn't happen often if you have dues the state doesn't know about they will tax you more.  But the fine can get lower if you have a case. Like you lose a Million are suddenly poor and get fined based on last years data.

 

If its not feasable in the USA then ofcourse it makes no sense to do it there.

 

Edit: I just looked up the philosophy behind the fines. They ask for money not to stop you from doing it, thats what points are for but the money fine is supposed to punish people immediatly points are to abstract for that. So it does make sense to ask more of someone with more money or else the punishment wouldn't be the same since 100 bucks are subjectivly speaking not the same for a Millionaire as 100 bucks for a poor person.

 



I'd like to know what fine is 100 dollars. My last fine was 450 dollars for speeding 60 in a 45. On top of that me and my wife make under 18k a year and are both fulltime students and we cant even get on food stamps. If you think the courts will take something into consideration more leniently than social services you are dead fucking wrong. You can appeal to social services too but good luck. They never take you seriously.

Also there is no reason for the courts to have your IRS information. That is beyond invasive.