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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - Put a fork in the Wii U, it is done. [Sensible discussion only, no flaming]

AnthonyW86 on 23 March 2013
Mr Khan said:
AnthonyW86 said:

I'm just going to quote myself from another topic here:

''And then there's one MAJOR dissadvantage from what i fear will become a huge problem for the Wii-U: It's CPU architecture. Both PS4 and the next xbox will use the X86, and so does the PC on wich every game is developed basically. This means that once PS3 en X360 are going to start losing developer support Wii-U will be the only major system using IBM Power-PC architecture. Now tell me, how many developers do you think will bother to invest alot of time and money to port their games to a completely new architecture, having to downscale and reoptimize everything in the process because Wii-U is far less powerfull, just to port that game to one system with a mediocre install base? And also knowing that most of they're previous games didn't sell well on it's predecessors?The Wii-U will(and already is) losing developer support faster than it is gaining any. And looking at it's game release schedule it doesn't have much support to lose anymore.''

So in my opinion there's little hope the Wii-U will ever have a large amount of major games release for it, except for Nintendo's franchises. Now i would consider buying one for those Nintendo titles alone, but only for $100-$150 and as an extra system aside a PS4 or new Xbox.(and only after those titles are released).

Nintendo needs to take a step back from trying to innovate to much on the hardware and controll front and get back at creating great new games. We haven't seen a new big Nintendo franchise/universe in 15 years.

Pikmin, which would be 12 years.

They seem to be cultivating the Xenoblade 'verse as well, though no-one's especially sure what X is exactly.

I didn't count Pikmin because that didn't become a big franchise. I'm talking something that rivals the likes of Mario, Pokemon and Zelda. Something that will stand for 20-30 years.



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abhiram_33 on 23 March 2013

im sure when zelda comes out and more mario comes out it will be fine



Final-Fan on 23 March 2013
Akvod said:
I thought Michael Pachter had a pretty simple and compelling argument. You mainly make money off of consoles by:
1) Royalties/Licensing fees from third party games.
2) Selling your consoles at a profit
[...]
So you basically have Nintendo not generating profit from method 1 and 2, and also limiting their ability to maximize revenue from software due to releasing on only 1 platform.
From an opportunity cost perspective, Nintendo is wasting its shareholder's money.

HAHAHA wow

If you ignore profits from first party software it's a lot easier to argue that Nintendo is not doing well...



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Captain_Tom on 23 March 2013
osed125 said:
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Psyberius said:
It's not done but it sure as hell isn't healthy. First year jitters are one thing, what is going on right now is another.

Buyers just aren't buyin it. They should have made the WiiU, slapped a cool controller on it, then waited two years to put a tablet on it. Right now people are buying their own tablets and the WiiU just looks complex and ungainly to people who's first console was a simple, fun, easy Wii.


Exactly.  I am not saying that the Wii U is 100% doomed.  However I have never been more sure of a consoles demise until now.  Even with the 3DS and Vita, I said "Just wait, they have options."

 

Wii U has no viable options that can save it from coming dead last this gen.

You realize that by saying that this is the first time you been so sure of a console demise doesn't make your points more valid.


No it doesn't, but it does mean I am not "One of those people" who always spouts doom.  

So because this is the first console your ever felt is doomed makes your points more valid?

Do you know how to read?

Yes, but your OP obviously makes it sound like a fact, which clearly isn't. And it's obvious that because this is the first console you ever felt is doomed makes you feel like you are right, which clearly isn't.

You're right, it isn't a fact.  I am not sure who you are arguing this  with lol!   Have fun!



osed125 on 23 March 2013
Captain_Tom said:
osed125 said:
Captain_Tom said:
osed125 said:
Captain_Tom said:

No it doesn't, but it does mean I am not "One of those people" who always spouts doom.  

So because this is the first console your ever felt is doomed makes your points more valid?

Do you know how to read?

Yes, but your OP obviously makes it sound like a fact, which clearly isn't. And it's obvious that because this is the first console you ever felt is doomed makes you feel like you are right, which clearly isn't.

You're right, it isn't a fact.  I am not sure who you are arguing this  with lol!   Have fun!

If you think people will look at your posts and think they are opinions then you are very wrong. You clearly write those points as facts, and can you even see that in the thread tittle. If you want people to take you seriously then don't point out stuff as facts.



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ninjablade on 23 March 2013
osed125 said:
Captain_Tom said:
osed125 said:
Captain_Tom said:
osed125 said:
Captain_Tom said:

No it doesn't, but it does mean I am not "One of those people" who always spouts doom.  

So because this is the first console your ever felt is doomed makes your points more valid?

Do you know how to read?

Yes, but your OP obviously makes it sound like a fact, which clearly isn't. And it's obvious that because this is the first console you ever felt is doomed makes you feel like you are right, which clearly isn't.

You're right, it isn't a fact.  I am not sure who you are arguing this  with lol!   Have fun!

If you think people will look at your posts and think they are opinions then you are very wrong. You clearly write those points as facts, and can you even see that in the thread tittle. If you want people to take you seriously then don't point out stuff as facts.

I think its just his opinion, console is selling 130,000-150,000 units a month world wide and third party support is looking very weak right now, i don't think he's too far off from the truth, mario and zelda didn't save GC and n64, why would it save the wiiu.



noname2200 on 23 March 2013
amp316 said:
Yep, no quality third party games that you can't get for the other systems. Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate is crap.

Really?! Thank God! Now I don't have to buy the system for a looooooooong time!



noname2200 on 23 March 2013
Akvod said:

I thought Michael Pachter had a pretty simple and compelling argument. You mainly make money off of consoles by:

1) Royalties/Licensing fees from third party games.

2) Selling your consoles at a profit

You forgot 3) Selling your own games.

Not joking: at the rate Nintendo games often sell, the royalties they save by being first party have to be pretty monstrous.



cunger on 23 March 2013

As a Nintendo Fan i wish what you are saying is true. I wish the system would bomb and they'd cancel it and move their games over to PC, Durango, PS4. But it ain't gonna happen. The wiiu will recover and become a profitable venture for Nintendo in the long run.



Osc89 on 23 March 2013
RazorDragon said:
Osc89 said:

Really? When I look at Metacritic I see 14 Wii games with 90+ compared to 45 for PS3. And out of that 14 we have 2 Zelda, 2 Mario, 2 Metroid, and 2 Rock Band. Not exactly a huge variety of quality games, unless I am missing something?

I didn't play Metacritic when I had a Wii, and most of my Wii games aren't even from Nintendo. Final Fantasy Fables(and also Crystal Chronicles), Madworld, Monster Hunter 3, Goldeneye 007, Muramasa, Lost in Shadow, Arc Rise Fantasia, Sonic Colors, Boom Blox, Another Code R, Tatsunoko vs Capcom, and a few other gamers that I won't list here made the Wii my favourite console of this generation. Also, it received a lot of PS2 multiplats, which, IMO, surpass most PS3/360 multiplats Wii could have got. DBZ Budokai Tenkaichi 2 and 3, Baroque, Guilty Gear XX Accent Core, Silent Hill Shattered Memories and a few other great games, all developed for PS2 and Wii.


You are absolutely entitled to your opinion, but for me Wii was when Nintendo consoles because good for pretty much only Nintendo games. I am only using Metacritic to try and gauge fan perception of a console by seeing how many "great" 90+ games come out. Gamecube->Wii goes 26->14 and PS2->PS3 goes 58->45. That is a far bigger drop off for Nintendo, and there are still games coming out for the PS3. This is why Nintendo has moved to second for me.

And I'm not sure how getting PS2 multiplats is a good thing? Is it good that the Wii U is getting old PS360 games years late?



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