Well then you bring me back to my orginal point - when can you call a product bad without being a "hater"?  You are implying that by default all products are good and to criticise them is to "hate". That is obviously utter bollocks.

No, it is not the same for products. They do not have feelings, an ego, or for people to feel superior than a product due to being insecure....because it's only a product, not a person. Stop asiging human emotions to objects. And yes, I'm saying the WiiU is a very poor product with many flaws and will be lucky to ever have normal sales. Why? Because of logic, not because "Im a hater".

"Catching up to obsolete"

So true. Guy speaks the truth. 

here is an example of hating on a object:

Susan: You know, Ninty invented a way to stream high definition gameplay in realtime, they call it the Wii U. It had one of the best launches in history, selling 3 million units over the holidays.

Jane (hater): If it lauched so well why aren't there more third party exclusives?

To answer your question. you can criticise a product without being a hater if you are not vindictively wishing for that products failure. Sorry if i implied what you think i implied. As far as emotions, that falls into consumers hating on consumers and im not talking about that. Though thats worthy of discussion too. I hope I atleast answered your question. If you think Wii U is genuinely shit, not because you want it to fail, but because of logic. I would just call you illogical, and leave it at that.

That is because 3rd party title & a good launch have nothing in common. They are seperate points. Saying the console is bad because a, b, c, and d....is called making a point.

Many people don't "want it to fail", but it is a terrible product and its sales a currently a disaster. 

Also how is it "illogical" to think its dire? It brings nothing new or revolutionary to the market.. and this market is about to go obsolete as the new generation is coming out. This combined with the growth of consoles being media centres and the WiiU doing none of that, why is anyone suprised at these poor sales figures?  We have seen this before in electronics with Marconi so why would it be different this time around? To think otherwise is illogical.

More or less exactly what I was implying earlier on in here. This labelling of users as "haters" over the simplest of reasons have really exploded lately. It was quite the same in 2007/2008. There certainly are some people who make legitimate arguments that are of a negative nature towards the economy, future outlook, products, services or even leadership of one of the big three but they all somehow end up in the "hater" category when faced with opposition. So little nuance in many debates and with the situation potentially turning even more dire at times, the pitch is bound to reach feverish heights (regarding the Wii U situation in this instance).

Did you read what I said? I said I only watched the first 10 seconds and the first impression stopped me. You don't start a video with such an idiotic remark otherwise people will get the wrong idea and just stop watching.

Which is what I did.......

Sure WiiU has a lot of haters...

.... but the worse about that is that those haters are unable to open a thread or discuss anything but their hate towards Nintendo.

And that´s a shame. Can´t they just leave people enjoy their games ? If you don´t like Nintendo, don´t read Nintendo forums, simple as that. Is it that hard to simple ignore something you dislike ?

That´s why I hate fanboys. Those are a plague in these forums, unfortunately

It´s not logic, my dear. It´s just your opinion about a product.  You hate it and that´s all.

There are  people who are satisfied with their WiiU and many, many others who are not interested at all.

The quality of a product is measured not by sales, but by its ability to meet a costumer´s expectations. That´s why, for example, the "poor" 3ds sells a lot better, it has what people want: it´s cheap, it has great games, it has social tools, its acessible and easy to use.

Are most of WiiU owners satisfied, or not? We don´t know for sure. All we know now is that it is selling poor because of a bad post-launch drought of games and bad advertsiment. Nothing less, nothing more.

Opinion constructed around logic *rollseyes*  There are numerous and very strong arguments for why the WIiU is a poor product, eg. its power will be so small compared to the competition with no gimmick to push it, this is a strong and logical reason for saying that it will do poorly.

So sorry to burst your bubble, but good opinions are based on logic eg. the WiiU is poor.

It is an awful console with a shoddy OS and one of the worst handled console releases of all time. Since its reveal at E3, Nintendo have failed to communicate to the wider audience why you should want a Wii U. The console has games the problem is Nintendo have failed at marketing the console to any degree. You can already buy a premium console for £199 in HMV and Nintendo are even meeting with UK retailers to convince them to keep selling the console. This is a next generation console and it is down to £199 already. The promise of games down the line is not enough to increase the sales momentum, Nintendo have a serious problem on their hands because 3rd parties are not going to save their arse.