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JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:


One last comment I want to make. EA has some kind of deal with MSFT correct. now if MSFT does block used games and Sony does not I would not doubt if EA puts all of there games as timed exclusives on MSFT's console so all games are sold as new for let's say 1-6 months. It wouldn't be out of the normal if many publishers and developers would take the same approach so for all of the sony fans saying this is dumb, well it is not. it is a business strategy that will help publishers and developers (which they have been screaming about for years. Do you guys really not think they won't take advantage of this?) and in return help MSFT. So if they team up together (which they will) then it isnt looking so high and mighty for sony any more seeing as MSFT would be getting timed exclusives from many big games. So before you guys draw conclusions without even thinking them through try thinking.

If this made any logical sense (and it doesn't), this would have been done this gen when publishers realized how easy it was to pirate 360 versions of their games. Or it would've been done two, three, or four generations ago, when publishers found out how easy it was for their games to be pirated on the PC.

On the subject of the "Always On, Always Connected" rumor. If true, I don't see what the big deal is with this. My PC is always on and always connected to the internet. And my PS3 turns itself on automatically to download patches and updates at 4 in the morning. Either of these can be turned off by my choosing, so I'm sure the Next Box would have it as a mandatory feature.

The rest of the subjects of your post were either addressed by someone else, or completely ignored as they should have been.

The Playstation Avenger has spoken.

Oh so DRM wasnt created?  Online passes?  forget about that stuff or the fact that developers and publishers has wanted to block used games for years?

Let's just tak ea look at EA and Ubisoft's DRM strategy and tell me that they dont want to block used games?  Then you have sony which are going to allow them to make the choice to block used games.  Do you really think developers and publishers are going to be nice and not block them?  They have already proved that they want to block them with some very sketchy strategies

What?? I bet you don't even realize you turned a rumor into a fact. Wasn't that the original point of your OP? Maybe you forgot?

I would address the rest of your reply, but it seems like it was all predicated on the rumor you turned into a fact in your own head.


I'm saying both are speculation at the moment but sense you dont want to debate on the subject your comment in general was pretty needless.

No. You weren't saying they were both speculation. That's why there isn't any reason to have a debate. You either A) are incapable of remembering the main point if your own OP, or B) pick and choose which rumors are factual.



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adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:


One last comment I want to make. EA has some kind of deal with MSFT correct. now if MSFT does block used games and Sony does not I would not doubt if EA puts all of there games as timed exclusives on MSFT's console so all games are sold as new for let's say 1-6 months. It wouldn't be out of the normal if many publishers and developers would take the same approach so for all of the sony fans saying this is dumb, well it is not. it is a business strategy that will help publishers and developers (which they have been screaming about for years. Do you guys really not think they won't take advantage of this?) and in return help MSFT. So if they team up together (which they will) then it isnt looking so high and mighty for sony any more seeing as MSFT would be getting timed exclusives from many big games. So before you guys draw conclusions without even thinking them through try thinking.

If this made any logical sense (and it doesn't), this would have been done this gen when publishers realized how easy it was to pirate 360 versions of their games. Or it would've been done two, three, or four generations ago, when publishers found out how easy it was for their games to be pirated on the PC.

On the subject of the "Always On, Always Connected" rumor. If true, I don't see what the big deal is with this. My PC is always on and always connected to the internet. And my PS3 turns itself on automatically to download patches and updates at 4 in the morning. Either of these can be turned off by my choosing, so I'm sure the Next Box would have it as a mandatory feature.

The rest of the subjects of your post were either addressed by someone else, or completely ignored as they should have been.

The Playstation Avenger has spoken.

Oh so DRM wasnt created?  Online passes?  forget about that stuff or the fact that developers and publishers has wanted to block used games for years?

Let's just tak ea look at EA and Ubisoft's DRM strategy and tell me that they dont want to block used games?  Then you have sony which are going to allow them to make the choice to block used games.  Do you really think developers and publishers are going to be nice and not block them?  They have already proved that they want to block them with some very sketchy strategies

What?? I bet you don't even realize you turned a rumor into a fact. Wasn't that the original point of your OP? Maybe you forgot?

I would address the rest of your reply, but it seems like it was all predicated on the rumor you turned into a fact in your own head.


I'm saying both are speculation at the moment but sense you dont want to debate on the subject your comment in general was pretty needless.

No. You weren't saying they were both speculation. That's why there isn't any reason to have a debate. You either A) are incapable of remembering the main point if your own OP, or B) pick and choose which rumors are factual.


If you read it, the very first line mentions this being a rumor turned into something else.  Then i go on to showing all the things people are ingoring like the fact that we dont even know that publishers etc wont block games on PS4.  You have yet to ta;l about anything and instead it seems to me you are attacking me instead because you have nothng else to say.  




       

I still think they are going to shoo off offline play



theprof00 said:
If "always connected" means hibernation, then what does "always on" mean

"Durango will implement different power states so that it can always be powered on, but will draw minimal electricity when not in use."



JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:
adriane23 said:
JayWood2010 said:


One last comment I want to make. EA has some kind of deal with MSFT correct. now if MSFT does block used games and Sony does not I would not doubt if EA puts all of there games as timed exclusives on MSFT's console so all games are sold as new for let's say 1-6 months. It wouldn't be out of the normal if many publishers and developers would take the same approach so for all of the sony fans saying this is dumb, well it is not. it is a business strategy that will help publishers and developers (which they have been screaming about for years. Do you guys really not think they won't take advantage of this?) and in return help MSFT. So if they team up together (which they will) then it isnt looking so high and mighty for sony any more seeing as MSFT would be getting timed exclusives from many big games. So before you guys draw conclusions without even thinking them through try thinking.

If this made any logical sense (and it doesn't), this would have been done this gen when publishers realized how easy it was to pirate 360 versions of their games. Or it would've been done two, three, or four generations ago, when publishers found out how easy it was for their games to be pirated on the PC.

On the subject of the "Always On, Always Connected" rumor. If true, I don't see what the big deal is with this. My PC is always on and always connected to the internet. And my PS3 turns itself on automatically to download patches and updates at 4 in the morning. Either of these can be turned off by my choosing, so I'm sure the Next Box would have it as a mandatory feature.

The rest of the subjects of your post were either addressed by someone else, or completely ignored as they should have been.

The Playstation Avenger has spoken.

Oh so DRM wasnt created?  Online passes?  forget about that stuff or the fact that developers and publishers has wanted to block used games for years?

Let's just tak ea look at EA and Ubisoft's DRM strategy and tell me that they dont want to block used games?  Then you have sony which are going to allow them to make the choice to block used games.  Do you really think developers and publishers are going to be nice and not block them?  They have already proved that they want to block them with some very sketchy strategies

What?? I bet you don't even realize you turned a rumor into a fact. Wasn't that the original point of your OP? Maybe you forgot?

I would address the rest of your reply, but it seems like it was all predicated on the rumor you turned into a fact in your own head.


I'm saying both are speculation at the moment but sense you dont want to debate on the subject your comment in general was pretty needless.

No. You weren't saying they were both speculation. That's why there isn't any reason to have a debate. You either A) are incapable of remembering the main point if your own OP, or B) pick and choose which rumors are factual.


If you read it, the very first line mentions this being a rumor turned into something else.  Then i go on to showing all the things people are ingoring like the fact that we dont even know that publishers etc wont block games on PS4.  You have yet to ta;l about anything and instead it seems to me you are attacking me instead because you have nothng else to say.  

Yes, you started out by mentioning rumors being turned into facts. Then you turned a rumor into a fact. I'm not attacking you. If anything, you're attacking yourself.



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JoeTheBro said:
JayWood2010 said:


Installs are not new at all and most PS3 games require an install but i guess we are ignoring that. I think what they are trying to do is make it more like PC where you can just click on your games from your hard drive to change games rather than changing discs or possibly quicker load times. That is a good thing and it is interesting that I hear people complaining about that when PS3 requires installs and that is only for quicker load times and nothing else. Then you have PC which blocked used game sales a long time ago but we will ignore that too i suppose. Hating on MSFT is the cool thing around here right?

Installs could potentially block used game sales but until that is confirmed I'd say it is best to not jump to any conclusions. I also want to point out that Sony has been pretty shady about the used game sales as well. From what I've understood about PS4 is that they are allowing publishers and developers to choose if they want to block used games. Now if that is true or not I don't know.


These two paragraphs have some issues Jay. To start no one likes the installs on PS3. I guess you ignored that it's one of the biggest complaints people have with the system. Also PS3 only installs a small amount of data, not the whole game. People are worried with nextbox that the HDD will fill up fast.

Blocking used games has more to do with other rumors while this just barely reaffirms its potential. Sony has flat out said millions of times they are not blocking used games. The shady part comes from the fact they won't comment on what third parties do.

Your comment about Sony saying they will not block used games is incorrect.  It's actually the opposite.  I will find the two comments from Sony execs where the state that they have not made a decision on what they will do.  Actually from there statements it sounded like there will be some type of additional service tied to playing used games.  A simple google search will net you those comments.



theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
JayWood2010 said:
theprof00 said:
If "always connected" means hibernation, then what does "always on" mean

It means the same thing

The tone of the OP is very belittling coming from someone who says that the reason that critics are wrong is because MS misspoke.


Journalism.  Read my comment above.  And since when did we hear MSFT officiolly say anything?

shakes head. What's the point of arguing what they're talking about if you're just going to say "anyway MS didn't even say this".

We have reason to believe that they said this. They said always on, and followed by referring to a quick suspend, and they said "always connected" and followed by referring to downloads while you weren't playing. They said "always on, always connected", but your argument is that they just meant to say "always on" and that always connected is a redundancy, and in no way anything to do with internet despite "connection" being a fairly standard term for internet access.

You're arguing semantics and meaning and rumor, calling people desperate, and just really sour saying things like "it's not that difficult to understand", and then turn around and say, "well, harumph, MS never even said this".

I'll pass.


Actually he is not arguing semantics he is stating exactly what the document says.  The document says nothing about any DRM tied to always on and always online.  The document explicity state what those two services mean.  This is not a consumer document.  It's a document for developers and if MS is to use these two services for DRM they would just state it.  DRM. Is something that developers and publishers want and if MS will provide it for them then it would be stated.

The key people keep forgetting is that MS is a for profit company.  If MS will institute a DRM system to not play used games it would demand something in return from publishers.  The reason it's very doubtful that MS would require the console to be on in order to play games is that it would limit their install base.



Machiavellian said:


Actually he is not arguing semantics he is stating exactly what the document says.  The document says nothing about any DRM tied to always on and always online.  The document explicity state what those two services mean.  This is not a consumer document.  It's a document for developers and if MS is to use these two services for DRM they would just state it.  DRM. Is something that developers and publishers want and if MS will provide it for them then it would be stated.

The key people keep forgetting is that MS is a for profit company.  If MS will institute a DRM system to not play used games it would demand something in return from publishers.  The reason it's very doubtful that MS would require the console to be on in order to play games is that it would limit their install base.

Are you stating what the document directly says, or making assumptions?

In tabletop games, we have two acronyms. One called RAW, and RAI.

Many times Rules As Worded end up being completely incorrect, and fixed by the developer.
Rules as Interpreted is almost wrong just the same.

So who is to say whose interpretation is better?



I wouldn't mind the full game install if Microsoft didn't make me use proprietary hard drives. I think they charge 100$ for 250GB, with that money I could buy a generic hard drive for 2TB.



Sigs are dumb. And so are you!

JayWood2010 said:

After reading comments in the last thread I decided to just make a new thread.  I will copy and paste my comment here, but seriosly guys relax on the rumors.  And if you are going to speculate on them then think a little.  This is regarding the rumor about Always Connected and Installing games.

lmao at the comments in this thread. Very pitiful that people are turning a rumor with little information into something they hope to see people get pissed off at MSFT on forums. In reality forums are very little of the real world but that is a completely different story. 

It sounds like hibernation mode "Always connected". This means if you have XBL and Internet it will update your games and console while in hibernation mode. This will also allow you to turn your Xbox on by saying "Xbox On". That was not that difficult to figure out. It says nothing about constant internet connection.

Installs are not new at all and most PS3 games require an install but i guess we are ignoring that. I think what they are trying to do is make it more like PC where you can just click on your games from your hard drive to change games rather than changing discs or possibly quicker load times. That is a good thing and it is interesting that I hear people complaining about that when PS3 requires installs and that is only for quicker load times and nothing else. Then you have PC which blocked used game sales a long time ago but we will ignore that too i suppose. Hating on MSFT is the cool thing around here right?

Anyways. Always connected means always on "hibernation". 

Installs could potentially block used game sales but until that is confirmed I'd say it is best to not jump to any conclusions. I also want to point out that Sony has been pretty shady about the used game sales as well. From what I've understood about PS4 is that they are allowing publshers and developers to choose if they want to block used games. Now if that is true or not I dont know.

One last comment I want to make. EA has some kind of deal with MSFT correct. now if MSFT does block used games and Sony does not I would not doubt if EA puts all of there games as timed exclusives on MSFT's console so all games are sold as new for let's say 1-6 months. It wouldn't be out of the normal if many publishers and developers would take the same approach so for all of the sony fans saying this is dumb, well it is not. it is a business strategy that will help publishers and developers (which they have been screaming about for years. Do you guys really not think they won't take advantage of this?) and in return help MSFT. So if they team up together (which they will) then it isnt looking so high and mighty for sony any more seeing as MSFT would be getting timed exclusives from many big games. So before you guys draw conclusions without even thinking them through try thinking.

-An always online coonection sounds like DRM to me. Even if it isn't, there's that Kinect that needs to be plugged in to work. So there's either 1 or 2 forms of DRM.

-Yes, many PS3 games require mandatory installs. But these are partial installs and only install a couple of GB worst case scenario. Having to install entire games on the next XBox will be a huge hassle once you have a big collection of games and you are playing multiple games at the same time. 

-Reliable sources say the next XBox blocks used games. Nothing mentions the PS4 doing it, at least not lately. Besides, Sony confimed that PS4 plays used games. If they were allowing publishers to choose to block used games...this is the first I've heard of it. Maybe the reason no one is discussing it is because you made it up. A link to this rumor would be appreciated. Feel free to make a thread about it as well.

-Wishful thinking. EA can't jeapordise their relationship with Sony to put their games exclusively on a console the public will hate. Let's be honest, if all these rumors about the next XBox are true, many will choose a PS4 instead.

No one is hating on MIcrosoft, but if these rumors are true then we probably should. The next Xbox sounds very anti-consumer.
MANDATORY installs. ALWAYS ON. Kinect REQUIRED. Online play REQUIRES SUBSCRIPTION.