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KungKras said:
Dr.Grass said:
KungKras said:
Dr.Grass said:
It's easy to be critical, asshole.

Why does a guy who has a shit ton of money like him need to take money from kickstarter that could've been used by young, WAY more talented devs? HUH!? I call it daylight robbery.

And WHEN'S the last time you've made something worth talking about!?

My friends over at Free Lives Gaming are designing the most awesome indie game ever (maybe a little bit of exaggeration, but its really, really cool) right now. The design is brilliant and original. I know, cause I'm playing it all the time.

It's so ridiculous when a dude who hasn't been a major part of an industry is just plain ignorant of it's recent developments.

Dota2 is the product of genius. Incredible design .

We hates them forever precious.

@bold: The dude made ULTIMA. You can thank him for the modern RPG genre not looking like Wizardry, and for the entire JRPG genre because Dragon Quest and FF are both simply casualized versions of Ultima.


Oh I typed that fast. I meant "of late". Sorry.

 

But that's waaaay long ago.

Ultima VII is stil unsurpassed as an RPG :P

I dont think anybody is questioning him making good games.  It is how he worded things and it makes him sound like a jerk.  No matter how you twist his words it still sounds bad.  There is a difference between arrogance and confidence and this is simply arrogance.  Not only is there good game designers (and I know that he didnt say all, but most) but there is better game designers than him.  He hasnt even made anything in for how long? Yet he is criticizing todays industry.




       

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JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto



9087 said:
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto


As shown above in a previous post he has made hit game after hit game.  gears, Unreal tournament,  Jazz Jackrabbit, Infinity Blade, Shadow Complex, he was also working on Fortnite.  Most of those are in just the last 5 years.  Tell me who else has a track record like that?   he has yet to make a bad game.  Kojima has only made one good series and I included him.  Miyamoto is just a legend that has some of the most iconic characters of all time.




       

JayWood2010 said:
9087 said:
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto


As shown above in a previous post he has made hit game after hit game.  gears, Unreal tournament,  Jazz Jackrabbit, Infinity Blade, Shadow Complex, he was also working on Fortnite.  Most of those are in just the last 5 years.  Tell me who else has a track record like that?   he has yet to make a bad game.  Kojima has only made one good series and I included him.  Miyamoto is just a legend that has some of the most iconic characters of all time.

Use your brain.



ClassicGamingWizzz said:
JayWood2010 said:
9087 said:
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto


As shown above in a previous post he has made hit game after hit game.  gears, Unreal tournament,  Jazz Jackrabbit, Infinity Blade, Shadow Complex, he was also working on Fortnite.  Most of those are in just the last 5 years.  Tell me who else has a track record like that?   he has yet to make a bad game.  Kojima has only made one good series and I included him.  Miyamoto is just a legend that has some of the most iconic characters of all time.

 

Annoying LOLOLOL picture


Just saying.  Kojima is one of my favorites and has made a complelling, complex story that was able to last for decades and is still going which is an accomplishment all on its own.  He is respected for that exact reason because that one series is that good. Even Kojima has admitted he wants to make one more game that is good before he retires.  He says that he doesnt want to be known just for Metal Gear but sadly he is.  He has other titles like snatcher, Policenaughts, Lunar Knights, and Zone of Enders.  If you havent heard of them there is a reason for that.  Zone of Enders let people down but was his most ambitious project in the last decade that didnt involve Metal Gear.  

As I said before Kojima is awesome and Metal Gear is one of my all time fav series but beyond Metal Gear he hasnt really done much.




       

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Player2 said:
JayWood2010 said:
9087 said:
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto


As shown above in a previous post he has made hit game after hit game.  gears, Unreal tournament,  Jazz Jackrabbit, Infinity Blade, Shadow Complex, he was also working on Fortnite.  Most of those are in just the last 5 years.  Tell me who else has a track record like that?   he has yet to make a bad game.  Kojima has only made one good series and I included him.  Miyamoto is just a legend that has some of the most iconic characters of all time.

Use your brain.

Go ahead and start naming them.  These are the first 3 guys that comes to my mind.  There are other great caliber developers but id like you to name some that has yet to make a bad game and has thrown hit after hit out there.  

Im not saying Cliff is the best ever and he is actually hated by many because of his attitude but you would be a fool to say he is bad at what he does because only a few developers can say they have achieved as much as he has in a short amount of time.




       

JayWood2010 said:
Player2 said:
JayWood2010 said:
9087 said:
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto


As shown above in a previous post he has made hit game after hit game.  gears, Unreal tournament,  Jazz Jackrabbit, Infinity Blade, Shadow Complex, he was also working on Fortnite.  Most of those are in just the last 5 years.  Tell me who else has a track record like that?   he has yet to make a bad game.  Kojima has only made one good series and I included him.  Miyamoto is just a legend that has some of the most iconic characters of all time.

Use your brain.

Go ahead and start naming them.  These are the first 3 guys that comes to my mind.  There are other great caliber developers but id like you to name some that has yet to make a bad game and has thrown hit after hit out there.  

Im not saying Cliff is the best ever and he is actually hated by many because of his attitude but you would be a fool to say he is bad at what he does because only a few developers can say they have achieved as much as he has in a short amount of time.

I gave you a hint already. You like metacritic scores, right? Take a look at the score of every game he has directed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Kamiya



JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.

I'd actually only say one of those 3 are.... of course to be fair i have no idea who the white dude is.

Additionally, he was just naming dudes off the top of his head.



Player2 said:
JayWood2010 said:
Player2 said:
JayWood2010 said:
9087 said:
JayWood2010 said:
DanneSandin said:

 

Apparently not that good a game designer.


 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Apparently none of these three are.


how dare you put cliffy b in the same post as kojima and miyamoto


As shown above in a previous post he has made hit game after hit game.  gears, Unreal tournament,  Jazz Jackrabbit, Infinity Blade, Shadow Complex, he was also working on Fortnite.  Most of those are in just the last 5 years.  Tell me who else has a track record like that?   he has yet to make a bad game.  Kojima has only made one good series and I included him.  Miyamoto is just a legend that has some of the most iconic characters of all time.

Use your brain.

Go ahead and start naming them.  These are the first 3 guys that comes to my mind.  There are other great caliber developers but id like you to name some that has yet to make a bad game and has thrown hit after hit out there.  

Im not saying Cliff is the best ever and he is actually hated by many because of his attitude but you would be a fool to say he is bad at what he does because only a few developers can say they have achieved as much as he has in a short amount of time.

I gave you a hint already. You like metacritic scores, right? Take a look at the score of every game he has directed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hideki_Kamiya


And that is a great track record.  As i said there are other gret caliber designers but not many is at that level.  Read my posts again. I never said that these are the only 3. These are the ones that came to my mind first and most of my responses was not towards you.  And when I said some I meant more than one.  There are great designers but the previous guy laughing because I put Cliff on that list is of poor judgement.  same goes to people making fun of Peter Molyxnuex.  He has been great and even Fable as a whole has been great.  3 was not so good but he has a lot of games from the 90s that was good too.  




       

Kantor said:
Well, that's rather conceited from somebody who hasn't really made anything since the 1990s.

There are plenty of great developers out there.


You expect modesty from the guy who named himself Lord British, made $150,000 off of a videogame he programmed at 18, and didn't even try to sell, then after being in the industry for a while decided to send himself to space just for the hell of it?