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Forums - Gaming Discussion - VGLeaks: First look at Durango XDK (always connected, kinect required, no play from optical discs))

coolguy on 19 March 2013

Ms is makeing a few mistakes



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D-Joe on 19 March 2013
thismeintiel said:
Garland said:
If true, then either Nintendo or Sony have won the next generation console war without lifting a finger.

My thoughts exactly.  Sure, MS fans will downplay these negatives, but once the word is out in the general public, many will stay away from the NeXbox. Especially if they block used games, then Gamestop will not be pushing the system.

What negatives?Not even block used games mentioned in this rumor XDK



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PullusPardus on 19 March 2013

consoles are shooting themselves in the foot, like PS3 / 360 wasn't bad enough as it it already.
only nintendo so far seems to get it, I'm not sure about Sony but they have a chance if they play their cards right, but I doubt they will, Sony never does, Microsoft has no chance, haven't they even seen what happened to SimCity/Diablo/Every single DRM?



PullusPardus on 19 March 2013
D-Joe said:
thismeintiel said:
Garland said:
If true, then either Nintendo or Sony have won the next generation console war without lifting a finger.

My thoughts exactly.  Sure, MS fans will downplay these negatives, but once the word is out in the general public, many will stay away from the NeXbox. Especially if they block used games, then Gamestop will not be pushing the system.

What negatives?Not even block used games mentioned in this rumor XDK


it mentions that it wont support playing on disk , so disks are only used for installation , that means its a lot like PCs , you have to enter a serial key, which means no used games.



D-Joe on 19 March 2013
Turkish said:
thranx said:
Turkish said:
thranx said:
for those who dont click on the link, it does not mention no optical disk, always connected or kinect required. the thread creator added those. In fact in one of the images it even says it will have blu ray drive. so you may want to disregard this whole thread as flamebait or trolling.


"play from the optical disc is not supported" is what I'm referring to, but it takes reading to find that part.


yea i edited my post with some ore relevant information. you should adjust the op and title to reflect more accurate info. the way you present it is if there is no drive. it also doesnt really state that network connection is needed, just that it has always on always connected ability, which can mean it will be required to be online, but from their wording I dont think so. With a better opening post and title this could be a good thread to discuss in, istead of a flambait/troll thread.

I'm not gonna omit info. The article clearly states "always on always connected", so no its not gonna be deleted from the title, like you said it can mean anything, and the title is neutral, so don't go take offense and what you think really doesn't matters.

Because you're copying neogaf?

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=526464



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Leadified on 19 March 2013
VGKing said:
Leadified said:
VGKing said:
drkohler said:
VGKing said:
freedomland said:
You can't play but install from Blu-ray drive and while installing you can play that game.
I really don't get it.

It's their way of giving Gamestop the middle finger. The console won't play used games.

That has nothing to do with whether the console is playing used games or not. First question is does the console check whether the disk is loaded when playing, second question is does "the system" check if the game (installed from the same disk) is running on two consoles. Essentially whether MS keeps a database of which game (serial number x) runs on which console (serial number y) or not.

Also the "play game while installing" is of course total bullshit, same total bullshit as in the PS4 presentation. If you want to run a game, you need the game code and game data variables defined in the ram, as well as the graphics data present when you start the game. What it means you will see non-skippable, lame introductions on your screen while the complete game and game data loads in the backrgound.

If the games are required to be installed before being played and the Blu-Ray disc isn't being used to stream game then that would make the disc useless beyond that first installation. There would be no reason to require people to insert that disc. So yes, this has everything to do with used games from the sounds of it.


Isn't this the same system that has always been on PCs? I don't see the connection between this and used games unless MS locks the game to the console or to your Xbox Live Account.

Think. If games are required to be installed then that means there is a system in place that prevents people from buying a game, installing it, then selling it. I'm betting something like a serial number or online pass. So you would still be able to sell the games, but people will need to unlock them with some kind of one-time fee.

Sure they can definitely use a system such as that to block used games or require some online pass. But there are other reasons for implementing a system like that, such as reducing load times. Until we get an official confirmation, I'm not convinced.



D-Joe on 19 March 2013
PullusPardus said:
D-Joe said:
thismeintiel said:
Garland said:
If true, then either Nintendo or Sony have won the next generation console war without lifting a finger.

My thoughts exactly.  Sure, MS fans will downplay these negatives, but once the word is out in the general public, many will stay away from the NeXbox. Especially if they block used games, then Gamestop will not be pushing the system.

What negatives?Not even block used games mentioned in this rumor XDK


it mentions that it wont support playing on disk , so disks are only used for installation , that means its a lot like PCs , you have to enter a serial key, which means no used games.

Won't support playing on disc=/=no used games or even need cd-key

They still can require you to have the disc in the machine

Don't tell me it won't read the disc,if it won't read the disc,how can you install the game?

It's more just like 360,but with require install this time



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foxtail on 19 March 2013
n-skyline said:
why bother paying royalty's for a blue ray drive when games have to be installed anyways

Games could be 25-50GB, and it's an easier way to distribute such big files to the public at large.  Also download caps and the like can be a problem for some.  Plus they keep retailer space.



mitlar37 on 20 March 2013

* Looks at thread title, looks at OP, shakes head and leaves thread*



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PullusPardus on 20 March 2013
D-Joe said:
PullusPardus said:
D-Joe said:
thismeintiel said:
Garland said:
If true, then either Nintendo or Sony have won the next generation console war without lifting a finger.

My thoughts exactly.  Sure, MS fans will downplay these negatives, but once the word is out in the general public, many will stay away from the NeXbox. Especially if they block used games, then Gamestop will not be pushing the system.

What negatives?Not even block used games mentioned in this rumor XDK


it mentions that it wont support playing on disk , so disks are only used for installation , that means its a lot like PCs , you have to enter a serial key, which means no used games.

Won't support playing on disc=/=no used games or even need cd-key

They still can require you to have the disc in the machine

Don't tell me it won't read the disc,if it won't read the disc,how can you install the game?

It's more just like 360,but with require install this time


it says in the last picture that "Always online, always connected" and that it will not be able to "Play on disk" as the content of the game will not be streamed on disk but it will be used only for installation, its not like the 360 at all.