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Michael-5 said:

So I'll agree with you, a high percentage of asians are trying to look white, specifically swedish, but I won't agree with you that they are trying to look American overall. If you go to Korea, or Japan, muscles on women are frowned upon, and aren't athletic body types considered hot in USA? Europe tends to favor slim girls over athletic as well. So if I were to be specific, Asians are imitating Northern Europeaners.


P.S. Please tell me why you think Obesity is a Social thing and not a cultural. Isn't the Fast Food buisness a heavy part of American culture (like it or not)? Aren't Burgers and pop a culturally American meal? Aren't Steakhouses predominantly integrated with American diets?

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And about American food... Man, is it pure trash dipped in fat and made of the worst type of carbohydrates. If you're European and you go there for the first time, even if you're expecting the worse, you're still going to be shocked. How can you eat pizza, when it has so much fat that it gets through the box, no matter how thick it is? Even stuff like Fanta or Coca-Cola is different. When my Canadian friend came to Europe and tried our Fanta, he thought it was real orange juice with vitamins and all. Cause it has so much less sugar and other crap in it. Not that it's good for you, but still NA version is worse. In US even veggies and fruit often seem to be made of plastic. Bleh!



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Scisca said:

And about American food... Man, is it pure trash dipped in fat and made of the worst type of carbohydrates. If you're European and you go there for the first time, even if you're expecting the worse, you're still going to be shocked. How can you eat pizza, when it has so much fat that it gets through the box, no matter how thick it is? Even stuff like Fanta or Coca-Cola is different. When my Canadian friend came to Europe and tried our Fanta, he thought it was real orange juice with vitamins and all. Cause it has so much less sugar and other crap in it. Not that it's good for you, but still NA version is worse. In US even veggies and fruit often seem to be made of plastic. Bleh!

In Europe Coca-Cola and rest of the companies that produce sodas, have to use real sugar (beet sugar); while in States they use High-Fructose corn syrup. 

 

On topic. There's a difference between plastic and cosmetic surgery, so the thread titles isn't maybe well formulated. But anyway, I have nothing aginst them and also plan to have one in June. My brother had few years back septorhinoplasty. He did it at "cosmetic" surgeon, even though a septoplasty is covered by our national health insurance. The procedure I'll have will be performed in general hospital, by plastic surgeon and will be fully covered by national heath insurance even though it's cosmetic in nature. 



Scisca said:
Michael-5 said:

So I'll agree with you, a high percentage of asians are trying to look white, specifically swedish, but I won't agree with you that they are trying to look American overall. If you go to Korea, or Japan, muscles on women are frowned upon, and aren't athletic body types considered hot in USA? Europe tends to favor slim girls over athletic as well. So if I were to be specific, Asians are imitating Northern Europeaners.


P.S. Please tell me why you think Obesity is a Social thing and not a cultural. Isn't the Fast Food buisness a heavy part of American culture (like it or not)? Aren't Burgers and pop a culturally American meal? Aren't Steakhouses predominantly integrated with American diets?

Hey, hey, hey! Don't limit blondes just to Nothern Europe! Central and Eastern Europe is blonde with blue eyes as well! I'm an example :)

 

And about American food... Man, is it pure trash dipped in fat and made of the worst type of carbohydrates. If you're European and you go there for the first time, even if you're expecting the worse, you're still going to be shocked. How can you eat pizza, when it has so much fat that it gets through the box, no matter how thick it is? Even stuff like Fanta or Coca-Cola is different. When my Canadian friend came to Europe and tried our Fanta, he thought it was real orange juice with vitamins and all. Cause it has so much less sugar and other crap in it. Not that it's good for you, but still NA version is worse. In US even veggies and fruit often seem to be made of plastic. Bleh!

I'm Canadian, and I went to Africa once and tried the Fanta there.....OMG what a difference. I can't stand pop here, but in Africa I drank half pop. You can taste a big difference when they add less sugar and no salt, you don't feel thirsty drinking it.

As for USA, it depends on where you eat and where you are. I don't really eat at fast food places, and the restaurants I do go to are all local, and clean. However I know food in Europe (well not UK) is better. It tastes more similar to the food I'd actually cook at home.

P.S. I'm Easter European as well, and while I don't have blonde hair and blue eyes, I have "dirty blonde" hair and eyes that change colour, but are usually half blue and half green (with a solid dividor, it's kinda funky).

Tom3k said:

In Europe Coca-Cola and rest of the companies that produce sodas, have to use real sugar (beet sugar); while in States they use High-Fructose corn syrup. 

On topic. There's a difference between plastic and cosmetic surgery, so the thread titles isn't maybe well formulated. But anyway, I have nothing aginst them and also plan to have one in June. My brother had few years back septorhinoplasty. He did it at "cosmetic" surgeon, even though a septoplasty is covered by our national health insurance. The procedure I'll have will be performed in general hospital, by plastic surgeon and will be fully covered by national heath insurance even though it's cosmetic in nature. 

Oh, that would explain the cleaner taste. Pop in Africa (probably the same in Europe) tasted a lot more like flavoured carbonated water, where in USA and Canada it tastes like burning.

I always talk to people and ask, why don't we tax junk food and specifically tax or ban products with high amounts of HFCS Sugars, or Corn Starch (filler in burgers at places like McDonalds to cut the price of the burger). Heck I'd eat a lot less junk food if it cost 2x as much, and I think it would push companies like Coca Cola to make better pop.



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chocoloco said:
I like big boobs.

Quite honestly as a social libertarian I cannot say one should judge, or call it wrong. A majority of people tattoo themselves which is something that is just as much body modification on that is mainstream everywhere.


Hey, as a straight male I love big floppy boobs too. They're fantastic, one of nature's greatest creations. But I like REAL big floppy boobs. Not big silicone bags that hang there straight out like they're on anti-gravity, they don't bounce or jiggle naturally, they barely move at all. It's disturbing, and the very idea is disgusting. I would in fact call it "wrong". Getting fake tits to make beleive you really have BIG tits, to somehow help you feel "better" about your self image, that isn't healthy or helpful or "okay", that's demented. If you're not okay with how you look, there's a problem, and it's a psychological one. People are never going to get over insecurity if they just try to unnaturally "modify" their bodies to "improve" their appearance. That's not how it works. A girl is never going to feel "GOOD" about herself because she got a boob-job. She does it because she thinks that's what men and society want out of her, and no offense to anyone who's gotten one, but quite frankly, I think it's a sign of not only severe lack of self-worth and self-confidence, but it's also degrading and incredibly shallow. You're saying that as a woman, the size of your breasts defines who you are. You're saying that having smaller breasts is somehow detrimental to who you are or your life. And that, to me, is sad and at least a bit sickening.

I simply cannot concieve of any OTHER reason why a self-respecting, CONFIDENT woman would have a boob-job done. I may, as a man, LOVE big tits, sure I freely and proudly admit it. That's nature. But if I meet a girl who's an awesome personality, who happens to be a great person and is even gorgeous besides, but has smaller boobs? No way in hell would I be one of those guys who asks his girl to "get her boobs done". I think that shows just as much shallowness and depravity on the side of the man as it does the woman, because what DECENT guy, what decent PERSON would say "Oh sure I love you, but would you change 'X' about yourself please?" The only thing I could see myself ever asking a woman to change about herself, is if she smoked, because cigarettes are vile, I don't want to be around them, and don't want her to die of lung cancer. Outside of that, if you're not happy with who a person is, or how they look, yet claim to want to be with them, you've got a problem. Just as much as a person who claims to be confident in herself, happy with herself, yet wants a boob-job, has serious issues.

 

That's how I see it at least.



DevilRising said:
chocoloco said:
I like big boobs.

Quite honestly as a social libertarian I cannot say one should judge, or call it wrong. A majority of people tattoo themselves which is something that is just as much body modification on that is mainstream everywhere.


Hey, as a straight male I love big floppy boobs too. They're fantastic, one of nature's greatest creations. But I like REAL big floppy boobs. Not big silicone bags that hang there straight out like they're on anti-gravity, they don't bounce or jiggle naturally, they barely move at all. It's disturbing, and the very idea is disgusting. I would in fact call it "wrong". Getting fake tits to make beleive you really have BIG tits, to somehow help you feel "better" about your self image, that isn't healthy or helpful or "okay", that's demented. If you're not okay with how you look, there's a problem, and it's a psychological one. People are never going to get over insecurity if they just try to unnaturally "modify" their bodies to "improve" their appearance. That's not how it works. A girl is never going to feel "GOOD" about herself because she got a boob-job. She does it because she thinks that's what men and society want out of her, and no offense to anyone who's gotten one, but quite frankly, I think it's a sign of not only severe lack of self-worth and self-confidence, but it's also degrading and incredibly shallow. You're saying that as a woman, the size of your breasts defines who you are. You're saying that having smaller breasts is somehow detrimental to who you are or your life. And that, to me, is sad and at least a bit sickening.

I simply cannot concieve of any OTHER reason why a self-respecting, CONFIDENT woman would have a boob-job done. I may, as a man, LOVE big tits, sure I freely and proudly admit it. That's nature. But if I meet a girl who's an awesome personality, who happens to be a great person and is even gorgeous besides, but has smaller boobs? No way in hell would I be one of those guys who asks his girl to "get her boobs done". I think that shows just as much shallowness and depravity on the side of the man as it does the woman, because what DECENT guy, what decent PERSON would say "Oh sure I love you, but would you change 'X' about yourself please?" The only thing I could see myself ever asking a woman to change about herself, is if she smoked, because cigarettes are vile, I don't want to be around them, and don't want her to die of lung cancer. Outside of that, if you're not happy with who a person is, or how they look, yet claim to want to be with them, you've got a problem. Just as much as a person who claims to be confident in herself, happy with herself, yet wants a boob-job, has serious issues.

 

That's how I see it at least.


I understand what you're saying and of course respectfully recognise your right to an opinion. But at the same time if you are willing to only love someone or allow yourself to fall in love with someone who meets your perfecting criteria, I think you belong to the wrong species. Please don't this a personal attack because it isn't, I just love the human race ability to label obvious flaws when each and everyone of us (whether we acknowledge it or not) has flaws. And if a woman who mentally might be perfect for you is labelled repulsive because she smokes or had implants because that made her feel better about herself is automatically ruled out then I think you have a bigger problem than those who do what makes them happy and wants acceptence as a member of the human race than they do. Just how I see it. 



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Majora said:
DevilRising said:
chocoloco said:
I like big boobs.

Quite honestly as a social libertarian I cannot say one should judge, or call it wrong. A majority of people tattoo themselves which is something that is just as much body modification on that is mainstream everywhere.


Hey, as a straight male I love big floppy boobs too. They're fantastic, one of nature's greatest creations. But I like REAL big floppy boobs. Not big silicone bags that hang there straight out like they're on anti-gravity, they don't bounce or jiggle naturally, they barely move at all. It's disturbing, and the very idea is disgusting. I would in fact call it "wrong". Getting fake tits to make beleive you really have BIG tits, to somehow help you feel "better" about your self image, that isn't healthy or helpful or "okay", that's demented. If you're not okay with how you look, there's a problem, and it's a psychological one. People are never going to get over insecurity if they just try to unnaturally "modify" their bodies to "improve" their appearance. That's not how it works. A girl is never going to feel "GOOD" about herself because she got a boob-job. She does it because she thinks that's what men and society want out of her, and no offense to anyone who's gotten one, but quite frankly, I think it's a sign of not only severe lack of self-worth and self-confidence, but it's also degrading and incredibly shallow. You're saying that as a woman, the size of your breasts defines who you are. You're saying that having smaller breasts is somehow detrimental to who you are or your life. And that, to me, is sad and at least a bit sickening.

I simply cannot concieve of any OTHER reason why a self-respecting, CONFIDENT woman would have a boob-job done. I may, as a man, LOVE big tits, sure I freely and proudly admit it. That's nature. But if I meet a girl who's an awesome personality, who happens to be a great person and is even gorgeous besides, but has smaller boobs? No way in hell would I be one of those guys who asks his girl to "get her boobs done". I think that shows just as much shallowness and depravity on the side of the man as it does the woman, because what DECENT guy, what decent PERSON would say "Oh sure I love you, but would you change 'X' about yourself please?" The only thing I could see myself ever asking a woman to change about herself, is if she smoked, because cigarettes are vile, I don't want to be around them, and don't want her to die of lung cancer. Outside of that, if you're not happy with who a person is, or how they look, yet claim to want to be with them, you've got a problem. Just as much as a person who claims to be confident in herself, happy with herself, yet wants a boob-job, has serious issues.

 

That's how I see it at least.


I understand what you're saying and of course respectfully recognise your right to an opinion. But at the same time if you are willing to only love someone or allow yourself to fall in love with someone who meets your perfecting criteria, I think you belong to the wrong species. Please don't this a personal attack because it isn't, I just love the human race ability to label obvious flaws when each and everyone of us (whether we acknowledge it or not) has flaws. And if a woman who mentally might be perfect for you is labelled repulsive because she smokes or had implants because that made her feel better about herself is automatically ruled out then I think you have a bigger problem than those who do what makes them happy and wants acceptence as a member of the human race than they do. Just how I see it. 

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DevilRising said:
chocoloco said:
I like big boobs.

Quite honestly as a social libertarian I cannot say one should judge, or call it wrong. A majority of people tattoo themselves which is something that is just as much body modification on that is mainstream everywhere.


Hey, as a straight male I love big floppy boobs too. They're fantastic, one of nature's greatest creations. But I like REAL big floppy boobs. Not big silicone bags that hang there straight out like they're on anti-gravity, they don't bounce or jiggle naturally, they barely move at all. It's disturbing, and the very idea is disgusting. I would in fact call it "wrong". Getting fake tits to make beleive you really have BIG tits, to somehow help you feel "better" about your self image, that isn't healthy or helpful or "okay", that's demented. If you're not okay with how you look, there's a problem, and it's a psychological one. People are never going to get over insecurity if they just try to unnaturally "modify" their bodies to "improve" their appearance. That's not how it works. A girl is never going to feel "GOOD" about herself because she got a boob-job. She does it because she thinks that's what men and society want out of her, and no offense to anyone who's gotten one, but quite frankly, I think it's a sign of not only severe lack of self-worth and self-confidence, but it's also degrading and incredibly shallow. You're saying that as a woman, the size of your breasts defines who you are. You're saying that having smaller breasts is somehow detrimental to who you are or your life. And that, to me, is sad and at least a bit sickening.

I simply cannot concieve of any OTHER reason why a self-respecting, CONFIDENT woman would have a boob-job done. I may, as a man, LOVE big tits, sure I freely and proudly admit it. That's nature. But if I meet a girl who's an awesome personality, who happens to be a great person and is even gorgeous besides, but has smaller boobs? No way in hell would I be one of those guys who asks his girl to "get her boobs done". I think that shows just as much shallowness and depravity on the side of the man as it does the woman, because what DECENT guy, what decent PERSON would say "Oh sure I love you, but would you change 'X' about yourself please?" The only thing I could see myself ever asking a woman to change about herself, is if she smoked, because cigarettes are vile, I don't want to be around them, and don't want her to die of lung cancer. Outside of that, if you're not happy with who a person is, or how they look, yet claim to want to be with them, you've got a problem. Just as much as a person who claims to be confident in herself, happy with herself, yet wants a boob-job, has serious issues.

 

That's how I see it at least.


Hey, look, I think most people are generally apathetic about others getting plastic surgery I know I am. I would not agree that a culture should encourge heavy forms of body modification. Being the way it is, women that get it done are not doing just because of insecurities. Many times it advances women's position in society. Quite frankly, people do all kinds of things to boost self-esteem unfortunantly many of the things done by women are not healthy. I am more concerned with something like nervosa anorexicia than a person receiving a bit of surgery. And to even further, an extremely over weight person that eats way too much due to insecurities is much greater health concern. These people are damaging long term health far more than a boob job. It is fair to say you do not like it, for sure, but having procedures done does not ever mean there are mental health problems like you seem to assume. I know people might be bored so they write on the topic, but generally it seems no worse to society than binge drinking, reckless sports or other potentially harmful activities. So basically, I am saying to let live. I am fairly apathetic about it and am sure most people are too. It would be better in the US to judge and care more about stopping obesity. That is a far more wide epedemic than people doing small amounts of body modification that has been present in human cultures throuout history. This topic is barely even harmful to society,



Majora said:
 


I understand what you're saying and of course respectfully recognise your right to an opinion. But at the same time if you are willing to only love someone or allow yourself to fall in love with someone who meets your perfecting criteria, I think you belong to the wrong species. Please don't this a personal attack because it isn't, I just love the human race ability to label obvious flaws when each and everyone of us (whether we acknowledge it or not) has flaws. And if a woman who mentally might be perfect for you is labelled repulsive because she smokes or had implants because that made her feel better about herself is automatically ruled out then I think you have a bigger problem than those who do what makes them happy and wants acceptence as a member of the human race than they do. Just how I see it. 


Sorry, I really fail to see how being disgusted by the stinky, cancer causing drug addiction known as smoking is wrong on any front. In my opinion, anyone with half a brain would recognize it's horrible for them and everyone around them, and WANT to quit. Secondly, I fail to see how implying that a woman should be happy in her own skin, happy with her own body, and not have to feel like she needs the false sense of security provided by getting gross breast implants, something someone would only do 99% of the time because they're trying to fit society's shallow notion of what a woman should be, and again, as I said, women allowing the size of their breasts to define them. How is being against that making me "part of the wrong species".

Nope. I'm part of the human race, love 'em and hate 'em. And I happen to value a woman's natural body. I think the concept of getting cosmetic "enhancements" to your body like that are just downright gross. Tattoos and some piercings are one thing, but a boob job? No thank you. And most women I've ever met feel the same way, thankfully. So I'm really not sure what you're on about there, friend. I said nothing about needing or wanting "perfection", I said I didn't like smokers or fake tits. That doesn't exactly eliminate the "playing field", does it? No, it doesn't.

Have a nice day.



DevilRising said:
Majora said:
 


I understand what you're saying and of course respectfully recognise your right to an opinion. But at the same time if you are willing to only love someone or allow yourself to fall in love with someone who meets your perfecting criteria, I think you belong to the wrong species. Please don't this a personal attack because it isn't, I just love the human race ability to label obvious flaws when each and everyone of us (whether we acknowledge it or not) has flaws. And if a woman who mentally might be perfect for you is labelled repulsive because she smokes or had implants because that made her feel better about herself is automatically ruled out then I think you have a bigger problem than those who do what makes them happy and wants acceptence as a member of the human race than they do. Just how I see it. 


Sorry, I really fail to see how being disgusted by the stinky, cancer causing drug addiction known as smoking is wrong on any front. In my opinion, anyone with half a brain would recognize it's horrible for them and everyone around them, and WANT to quit. Secondly, I fail to see how implying that a woman should be happy in her own skin, happy with her own body, and not have to feel like she needs the false sense of security provided by getting gross breast implants, something someone would only do 99% of the time because they're trying to fit society's shallow notion of what a woman should be, and again, as I said, women allowing the size of their breasts to define them. How is being against that making me "part of the wrong species".

Nope. I'm part of the human race, love 'em and hate 'em. And I happen to value a woman's natural body. I think the concept of getting cosmetic "enhancements" to your body like that are just downright gross. Tattoos and some piercings are one thing, but a boob job? No thank you. And most women I've ever met feel the same way, thankfully. So I'm really not sure what you're on about there, friend. I said nothing about needing or wanting "perfection", I said I didn't like smokers or fake tits. That doesn't exactly eliminate the "playing field", does it? No, it doesn't.

Have a nice day.

While I respect that you are trying to be polite, I think you are being WAY too harsh, and to rule out females who smoke or have fake breasts while not eliminating the playing field, must cut it down very severely. Each to their own and whatever, but OMG! in my hometown you'd rule out like well over half of all girls with your criteria and even in a less 'image conscious' or 'advanced' city (like any out of main-centre town/city) I think you'd have to be eliminate around a third to half of all girls. Not trying to harass your opinion, everyone has preferences, but to absolutely rule people out because they don't meet what you'd prefer does seem a little over the top?



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