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I'm caucasian, but I'm dating a Korean girl and I have a lot of asian friends, a few of them who have hard surgury.

The thing is, when you hear a statistic like that, take it with a grain of salt. Most Korean women got a surgury called "Double Eyelid Surgery" because asian girls do not have eyelids which fold like caucasions do. Having double eyelids in Korea, is considered beautiful, but it's such a minor surgery. Yes a lot of Korean girls get plastic surgery, but it's not to imitate Americans, it's more to imitate Europeans, and it's very minor. Blonde hair on asians is very uncommon, and it's generally a sign of "I'm a whore."

It's hard explaining all of korean culture, and there are so many factors. The main thing is that yes 70% of Asian girls do get surgery, but double eyelid surgery is really minor. Megan Fox had the exact opposite surgery done, called "CCateye surgery."

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Also you have to realize that 25% of Californians get Plastic surgery, but there it's much more major. The most common surgery by far is breast implants (not that common in Korea), and that makes a drastic change in appearance. The most common for men is Calf Surgery (bottom of your leg), and I think that's stupid, but.....it's California baby.



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Michael-5 said:

I'm caucasian, but I'm dating a Korean girl and I have a lot of asian friends, a few of them who have hard surgury.

The thing is, when you hear a statistic like that, take it with a grain of salt. Most Korean women got a surgury called "Double Eyelid Surgery" because asian girls do not have eyelids which fold like caucasions do. Having double eyelids in Korea, is considered beautiful, but it's such a minor surgery. Yes a lot of Korean girls get plastic surgery, but it's not to imitate Americans, it's more to imitate Europeans, and it's very minor. Blonde hair on asians is very uncommon, and it's generally a sign of "I'm a whore."

It's hard explaining all of korean culture, and there are so many factors. The main thing is that yes 70% of Asian girls do get surgery, but double eyelid surgery is really minor. Megan Fox had the exact opposite surgery done, called "CCateye surgery."

---

Also you have to realize that 25% of Californians get Plastic surgery, but there it's much more major. The most common surgery by far is breast implants (not that common in Korea), and that makes a drastic change in appearance. The most common for men is Calf Surgery (bottom of your leg), and I think that's stupid, but.....it's California baby.

Just to clarify, 25% is a whole lot more than 70%.   But I said the 'west' initiallly, i.e, Europe and America.  Plus, I think it's safe to assume it's mostly American influences  (Listen to their music, and tell me it isn't heavly inspired.) And I don't really think it's too minor.  I mean it's probably a simple procedure, but it does have a significant change in terms of their looks.   And not to mention, I hardly ever see Asian celebrities with Asian eyes and black hair.  Which is strange considering about 99% of all pure Japs and Koreans have those.   Also, someone getting that kind of surgery in America is often frowned upon, as oppose to Korea where plastic surgery is are greatly encouraged, and sometimes even a job requirement.  



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ToraTiger said:
Michael-5 said:

I'm caucasian, but I'm dating a Korean girl and I have a lot of asian friends, a few of them who have hard surgury.

The thing is, when you hear a statistic like that, take it with a grain of salt. Most Korean women got a surgury called "Double Eyelid Surgery" because asian girls do not have eyelids which fold like caucasions do. Having double eyelids in Korea, is considered beautiful, but it's such a minor surgery. Yes a lot of Korean girls get plastic surgery, but it's not to imitate Americans, it's more to imitate Europeans, and it's very minor. Blonde hair on asians is very uncommon, and it's generally a sign of "I'm a whore."

It's hard explaining all of korean culture, and there are so many factors. The main thing is that yes 70% of Asian girls do get surgery, but double eyelid surgery is really minor. Megan Fox had the exact opposite surgery done, called "CCateye surgery."

---

Also you have to realize that 25% of Californians get Plastic surgery, but there it's much more major. The most common surgery by far is breast implants (not that common in Korea), and that makes a drastic change in appearance. The most common for men is Calf Surgery (bottom of your leg), and I think that's stupid, but.....it's California baby.

Just to clarify, 25% is a whole lot more than 70%.   But I said the 'west' initiallly, i.e, Europe and America.  Plus, I think it's safe to assume it's mostly American influences  (Listen to their music, and tell me it isn't heavly inspired.) And I don't really think it's too minor.  I mean it's probably a simple procedure, but it does have a significant change in terms of their looks.   And not to mention, I hardly ever see Asian celebrities with Asian eyes and black hair.  Which is strange considering about 99% of all pure Japs and Koreans have those.   Also, someone getting that kind of surgery in America is often frowned upon, as oppose to Korea where plastic surgery is are greatly encouraged, and sometimes even a job requirement.  

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Isn't most Asian music more similar to 90's Pop music in Western Society? I don't think it's really influenced that much by western culture, I rarely hear a Japanese Rock song. However there is intermixing, and in general asians get more influence from Westerners then Vice versa, but that's starting to change. K-Pop and J-Pop are becoming bigger and bigger in Western Culture, I mean how big was Gangnam Style a couple months back?

Shit off topic....Plastic surgery. Yes, Western Influence is greater in Asia then Asian influence is here. If the asian influence were strong here, people would not be as obese as they are now LOL.

You are kinda right. Double Eye lid surgery is encouraged, most asian girls get it, and big eyes are considered sexy. Plus asians do die their hair.

However to be fair, I would argue that the influence isn't from Western Culture to Eastern Culture. I don't think anyone, except for Americans, try to look more American. I think the bulk of the influence comes from central and northern Europe. Most people to artificially change their appearance die their hair blonde and get blue contacts. Asians and Americans alike, we're all trying to look swedish or scandenavian.



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Michael-5 said:
ToraTiger said:
Michael-5 said:

I'm caucasian, but I'm dating a Korean girl and I have a lot of asian friends, a few of them who have hard surgury.

The thing is, when you hear a statistic like that, take it with a grain of salt. Most Korean women got a surgury called "Double Eyelid Surgery" because asian girls do not have eyelids which fold like caucasions do. Having double eyelids in Korea, is considered beautiful, but it's such a minor surgery. Yes a lot of Korean girls get plastic surgery, but it's not to imitate Americans, it's more to imitate Europeans, and it's very minor. Blonde hair on asians is very uncommon, and it's generally a sign of "I'm a whore."

It's hard explaining all of korean culture, and there are so many factors. The main thing is that yes 70% of Asian girls do get surgery, but double eyelid surgery is really minor. Megan Fox had the exact opposite surgery done, called "CCateye surgery."

---

Also you have to realize that 25% of Californians get Plastic surgery, but there it's much more major. The most common surgery by far is breast implants (not that common in Korea), and that makes a drastic change in appearance. The most common for men is Calf Surgery (bottom of your leg), and I think that's stupid, but.....it's California baby.

Just to clarify, 25% is a whole lot more than 70%.   But I said the 'west' initiallly, i.e, Europe and America.  Plus, I think it's safe to assume it's mostly American influences  (Listen to their music, and tell me it isn't heavly inspired.) And I don't really think it's too minor.  I mean it's probably a simple procedure, but it does have a significant change in terms of their looks.   And not to mention, I hardly ever see Asian celebrities with Asian eyes and black hair.  Which is strange considering about 99% of all pure Japs and Koreans have those.   Also, someone getting that kind of surgery in America is often frowned upon, as oppose to Korea where plastic surgery is are greatly encouraged, and sometimes even a job requirement.  

??????? - At bolded

Isn't most Asian music more similar to 90's Pop music in Western Society? I don't think it's really influenced that much by western culture, I rarely hear a Japanese Rock song. However there is intermixing, and in general asians get more influence from Westerners then Vice versa, but that's starting to change. K-Pop and J-Pop are becoming bigger and bigger in Western Culture, I mean how big was Gangnam Style a couple months back?

Shit off topic....Plastic surgery. Yes, Western Influence is greater in Asia then Asian influence is here. If the asian influence were strong here, people would not be as obese as they are now LOL.

You are kinda right. Double Eye lid surgery is encouraged, most asian girls get it, and big eyes are considered sexy. Plus asians do die their hair.

However to be fair, I would argue that the influence isn't from Western Culture to Eastern Culture. I don't think anyone, except for Americans, try to look more American. I think the bulk of the influence comes from central and northern Europe. Most people to artificially change their appearance die their hair blonde and get blue contacts. Asians and Americans alike, we're all trying to look swedish or scandenavian.

 

 

 

Oh, that was an error.  XD my bad.    You knew what I met, I assume.  

As for Asian music.  It varies depending on country.  Japense prefer Rock music, and classical music, while chinese seem to enjoy R&B a lot.

As for Koreans, their music is full of hip hop, and more modern pop and dance music.  It's VERY similar to American music. (Just listen to Gangnam style, it sounds a lot like a L.M.A.O song or something ) Most of their songs contain at least serval english lines, using freuquently used words in American culture, like "swag", "haters", "fly" and several others.  You can youtube a lot of Kpop artists plaugerizing American music, just to add.

As for Westerners starting to be influenced by Asians, I think that's a long time away before we can even consider it at all.  I mean I'm pretty sure the only reason Americans like K-Pop is because how similar it is. Imo.  Seeing as Korean is by far the most popular type of asian music in the west, and all the popular bands/singers in Korea that made it big in American are all techno/hip-hop artists with few exceptions.  

For the obese thing, I think that's more of a social thing than a cultural one.  

Back on the topic of surgery, well they're definietly trying to look white, that's for sure.  Be it a German, English or  sweddish.  But I think it's safe to assume American, since they've already imitated so much from it already.  Hell, even their fashion sense is disturbingly similar.  

I don't mean to come off as racist or prejudice, (because really, I'm not) or even a hater or anything.  

 

 



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It's a dilemma for me. On an individual level I don't have a problem with people altering their bodies how they see fit (within legal limits ofc). But when it's as widespread as it is in South Korea it becomes almost perverse how commonly valued beauty traits are ones that most of the population won't be born with, and will feel pressured into getting invasive surgery to acquire. It doesn't seem healthy. For individuals (particularly young girls) and for their society.

Here's an example, a very popular procedure (and one that will make up most of that 70% figure you quoted) is double-eyelid surgery. It's a naturally occurring and common facial feature in the West and most people don't think twice about it, but it's very desirable in SK to have them, despite not being a natural feature of the faces of most oriental Asians. It's now so widespread that getting the double eyelid is almost thought of as going to a dentist. Anecdotally I know of Korean girls living in England who, on a summer trip back to South Korea, saw a medical practice was giving a discount on double eyelid surgery and got it done in a day on a whim, and returned home to the Uk with double eyelids.

Before -> after comparison pictures of invasive and expensive surgeries are plastered up on billboards there in public. Imagine on your daily commute having to stare at the face of a girl (or guy) who looks like you, who has had this surgery done to make themselves look more like the accepted image of beauty. Imagine what that would do to your self confidence. Especially when some of those features are just a natural result of your own racial heritage.

A huge number of idols have surgery done. In some businesses like that girls and guys will feel under pressure to have work done if they want to compete with other trainees. It becomes just another expense in life if you want to compete for a job, just like paying for an education. That's a bit sick. I especially feel sorry for the girls with wide jaws. A thin "V" jaw is very desirable, and these girls will get hugely painful surgery to shave their jaw down to size.

So..again. On an individual level I have no problem with it in principle. But when it becomes so widespread I start to think again. Conclusion: undecided. Happy that people can do what they want with their looks. Sad for the people that are pressured to take such drastic measures to feel they fit in, or to compete for work.

Specifically talking about South Korea, It's just a small part of a much broader problem they have of massive pressure on the average person there to be perfect in all areas. It's the suicide capital of the world for a reason.


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ToraTiger said:
Michael-5 said:

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Isn't most Asian music more similar to 90's Pop music in Western Society? I don't think it's really influenced that much by western culture, I rarely hear a Japanese Rock song. However there is intermixing, and in general asians get more influence from Westerners then Vice versa, but that's starting to change. K-Pop and J-Pop are becoming bigger and bigger in Western Culture, I mean how big was Gangnam Style a couple months back?

Shit off topic....Plastic surgery. Yes, Western Influence is greater in Asia then Asian influence is here. If the asian influence were strong here, people would not be as obese as they are now LOL.

You are kinda right. Double Eye lid surgery is encouraged, most asian girls get it, and big eyes are considered sexy. Plus asians do die their hair.

However to be fair, I would argue that the influence isn't from Western Culture to Eastern Culture. I don't think anyone, except for Americans, try to look more American. I think the bulk of the influence comes from central and northern Europe. Most people to artificially change their appearance die their hair blonde and get blue contacts. Asians and Americans alike, we're all trying to look swedish or scandenavian.

Oh, that was an error.  XD my bad.    You knew what I met, I assume.  

As for Asian music.  It varies depending on country.  Japense prefer Rock music, and classical music, while chinese seem to enjoy R&B a lot.

As for Koreans, their music is full of hip hop, and more modern pop and dance music.  It's VERY similar to American music. (Just listen to Gangnam style, it sounds a lot like a L.M.A.O song or something ) Most of their songs contain at least serval english lines, using freuquently used words in American culture, like "swag", "haters", "fly" and several others.  You can youtube a lot of Kpop artists plaugerizing American music, just to add.

As for Westerners starting to be influenced by Asians, I think that's a long time away before we can even consider it at all.  I mean I'm pretty sure the only reason Americans like K-Pop is because how similar it is. Imo.  Seeing as Korean is by far the most popular type of asian music in the west, and all the popular bands/singers in Korea that made it big in American are all techno/hip-hop artists with few exceptions.  

For the obese thing, I think that's more of a social thing than a cultural one.  

Back on the topic of surgery, well they're definietly trying to look white, that's for sure.  Be it a German, English or  sweddish.  But I think it's safe to assume American, since they've already imitated so much from it already.  Hell, even their fashion sense is disturbingly similar.  

I don't mean to come off as racist or prejudice, (because really, I'm not) or even a hater or anything.  

About K-Pop, Question is did music like Gangnam style exist in Korea before LMFAO, or was PSY influenced by Americans? From what i've heard of K-Pop, their music has been like that for a while, and I think Americans know about Gangnam style because of how similar it is to American Pop. Essentially I think neither strongly influences the other, they just both coincidently sound similar, and because of it you will see a lot more intermixing in the future.

As for the Obese thing, what do you mean social instead of cultural? I'm curious because I look at it as a cultural thing, and lately (especially in places like California) you're seeing a trend where more and more people eat oriental food because it's healthier and will keep you skinnier. This is American dining (and Canadian, and European too) mimicing Korean.

If you go to Korea, you will rarely see McDonalds, and people doesn't really eat American there like we eat Korean/Japanese/Chinese. I feel a similar situation is happening with Oriental food as happened with Italian food in the past. In Italy you will have trouble finding American diners, but in the USA Pizza Pizza, and other pizza/pasta chains have exploded. Many of them have become Americanized (Italians wouldn't recognize pizza pizza as pizza, but some high salt fast cooked American interpretation of their food).

I can't argue fashion, I don't know what goes on there.

As for Plastic Surgury (the topic in the op), I see a difference. How many Americans are naturally blonde? Isn't USA the mixing pot of the states? What's the definitive American look? Blonde Hair and Blue eyes for sure isn't it, that's swedish, and I think there are more Americans then asians per captia dying their hair blond. Asians aren't really dying their hair brown, maybe red, but not brown. However a lot of American girls straighten their hair to mimic asian hair styles. They don't do it specifically to mimic the asians maybe, but straight hair is only natural in asians since their hair is denser, and thus heavier and straight. However at the same time Double Eyelid Surgury is very common among asian girls, where Cateye Surgury is a pretty small phenomena with Americans. So it turms of plastic surgury, more Asians are mimicing white people (and in this case Americans too), but in terms of culture, more Americans are imitating Asians (Diets, Straight Hair, Black Hair, etc)

So I'll agree with you, a high percentage of asians are trying to look white, specifically swedish, but I won't agree with you that they are trying to look American overall. If you go to Korea, or Japan, muscles on women are frowned upon, and aren't athletic body types considered hot in USA? Europe tends to favor slim girls over athletic as well. So if I were to be specific, Asians are imitating Northern Europeaners.

Americans on the other hand, they aren't imitating anyone, they are just trying to become more shocking, and this is the new American look. Orange Skin, Breast Implants, Calf Implants (to look more muscular), Fat injections to the lips, blond hair, blue eyes, tatoos (I wouldn't associate any other country as strongly with tatoos), and a lot of make up on girls. This is very different from the typical European clean look, where most women are just naturally beautiful (except the english) because of good diets and high maintenance (Not in a make-up way, in the way where they takes care of themselves, cook home cooked meals and in general live healthier).


P.S. Please tell me why you think Obesity is a Social thing and not a cultural. Isn't the Fast Food buisness a heavy part of American culture (like it or not)? Aren't Burgers and pop a culturally American meal? Aren't Steakhouses predominantly integrated with American diets?



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I see no problem with people having the choice to change aspects of their body. What we are seeing in South Korea though is a different story. That's not a problem of choice, that' a problem of overwhelming social pear pressure. It often depresses me looking at how many of the girls here in the UK dress/act to try and fit in, but feeling under pressure to completely change the actual structure of your appearance? That's terrifying.