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ethomaz on 24 March 2013
Ssenkahdavic said:
It should never be about the hardware, but about the games.

So we only need to play SNES games for ever... the hardware needs to grow to the games became better and better.



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Ssenkahdavic on 24 March 2013
ethomaz said:
Ssenkahdavic said:
It should never be about the hardware, but about the games.

So we only need to play SNES games for ever... the hardware needs to grow to the games became better and better.

You can, sure.  Id rather have new games with new experiences on new hardware.  What that new hardware is, how "wonderful" it maybe doesnt matter.  It matters what developers can do with it. 



 

  

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MDMAlliance on 24 March 2013

Technically it can be said that the PS4 is the biggest leap, but let's look at it this way as well:
2 x 2 = 4 x 2 = 8 x 2 = 16.
2, 4, 8, 16.
Each have been increased by 2x, but the biggest leap is between 8 and 16 because there's a difference of 8.
I would say the exact same thing can be applied here.



FrancisNobleman on 24 March 2013

I would expect an avatar like graphics for this gen, but thats impossible.

But I'm ok with the graphics you have nowadays.



FrancisNobleman on 24 March 2013

I'm having dejavus back from that time when there were amazing tech demos for the vita and it was gonna destroy 3DS, true next gen, etc...



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Fireforgey on 24 March 2013
ethomaz said:
Jay520 said:
Maybe in terms of pixels, teraflops, gigahertz, RAM, memory, [insert more technical jargon], etc. But it doesn't look like it at all, at least not with my eyes. Most of the games shown looked like super-polished PS3 games, for the videos that actually showed gameplay. I guess that's one effect when graphics become so good that further advancements can't be noticed by the human eye. I believe the PS1 --> PS2 and PS2 --> PS3 were much more impressive.

Of course this is based on what was shown so far. I'll need to play it on an HDTV for my final judgement. And I will also have to wait for later games. Though I doubt I would have the ability to truly appreciate the entirety of the advancement.

Just look at the launch games for PS3... they are close or only a little better than GoW2, Shadown of Colossus or Vangrant Story... Killzone launch title for PS4 is way better than GoW:A for example.

Yeah I know, games for the Wii U are gonna look great in another year or two....Oh wait, we're talking about the PS4.  Sorry.



curl-6 on 25 March 2013
ethomaz said:

curl-6 said:

You clearly weren't around for the SNES-N64 or N64-Gamecube leaps. ;)

I'm a old NES owner... after SNES, PlayStation, N64, PS2 and PS3/Wii.

Maybe, yeah maybe, the SNES to N64 was big but that's just because the 2D to 3D is more noticiable... I don't know if the jump was that big.

But form the first games the PS4-PS3 jump is bigger than PS3-PS2.

From what we've seen so far, I'd say PS2-PS3 leap was bigger; not just SD to HD, but primitive shaders to full per-pixel and per-vertex shaders.

Plus, PS3 had 37 times as many Gigaflops as PS2, but ps4 has 7.8 times as many Gigaflops as PS3.



Kasz216 on 25 March 2013
Player1x3 said:
Kasz216 said:
Player1x3 said:
Kasz216 said:
ethomaz said:

But what the developer is talking... about memory... I think it is the biggest ever... GPU performance I'm not sure.

Anybody remember a increase in 16x the size of memory from the previous gen???

Wasn't the the jump from Nes/Gensis to SNES like... 60X or something crazy like that.?


NES had 2KB of RAM, SNES had 128KB of RAM, so that's +126 KB jump.

PS3 had 512MB of RAM, PS4 has 8GB of RAM, so that's +7488 MB jump...its not even comparable lol

It seems like your having a reading comprehnion problem.

Also... multiplications on a smaller level actually generally lead to more of a performance boost per amount added so...

And seems like you have a spelling problem. See, cheapshots won't get us anywhere 

This amount of RAM has never been added to a successor console before and that's a FACT

NES to SNES seems like a big jump only because of how laughable NES hardware was, even for it's own time. It's not much of an achievement to make a big jump from that 


It wasn't a cheap shot.  It was pointing out that you quite literally didn't know what you were talking about when responding.

Also no... the NES wasn't laughable for it's own time... at least not any more laughable then any modern console has been vs PC.

 

Impressivness of number goes down as ram goes up.  That's pretty obvious because that's how it works for pretty much everything.

 

It's pretty obvious based on the difference if you switched increases.  An increase like the NES to SNES would mean NOTHING to the PS4 from the PS3... yet was a HUGE deal between the NES and SNES.  It doesn't take knowledge of english to understand the concept.  (or understand 16X which is numerical, not linguistic)

Hence why ethomaz used a times measure in the first place.  Cause a pure rank number is meaningless.... as it was.  NES to SNES.  Or probably more likely Master Systte to SNES was more impressive.  

Since it was more powerful then NES.   Really depends how you want to define jump between generations though, by company or by just generation.